Comments on Advance Indiana™: Council Tells Kennedy And Adams To Do Their Homework Next Time

If you don't think AI's been critical of Republica...

2006-04-19T22:36:00.000-05:00

If you don't think AI's been critical of Republicans, you haven't been reading this blog. At this point, this particularly ordinance is a Democratic proposal offered by Kennedy and Adams. If Republicans sign on to an even worse version of this ordinance, AI will be the first to criticize them. The ICLU is already on the record questioning its constitutionality. It has successfully challenged these ordinances in other communities. It is just more legislating by press release. It will do absolutely nothing to stop sex offenders, and it will cost taxpayers money to defend a legal challenge it cannot withstand. The sponsors are counting on an ignorant public to think--"hey look, that Kennedy wants to get tough on child molesters--I'm all for that--maybe I should vote for her."

GaryAre you some kind of partisan republican? I ha...

2006-04-19T22:13:00.000-05:00

Gary
Are you some kind of partisan republican? I have to say I thought you were not overly political on one side until recently you have made it clear in your headlines that you take aim at democrat candidates but dont seem to with republicans -especially in this prosecutors race.

Im not crazy about this proposal in the first place. But it seems like some restrictions put in the ordinance to make it more likely to be legal are now the subject of a "tough" contest led by the republicans to say the proposal needs to be tougher. You jump on the bandwagon and seem to agree by saying that it hasnt been well thought through. Let's give up this game of whose so tough and be wise about how the ordinance is drafted so that it is actually legal. The republicans should be criticized for irresponsibly trying to promote something that is said to be not legal.

Gary-My boss isn't Melina Kennedy, and I'm not "An...

2006-04-19T19:12:00.000-05:00

Gary-

My boss isn't Melina Kennedy, and I'm not "Andy" or whomever you are alluding to. In fact, if anything, I think Ms. Kennedy's proposal is a bit weak (as did the City-County Council), but I do feel that even a little bit of protection is worth a great deal of effort. Additionally, I'm afraid that we have become a society so dependent on criminals' rights that the watered down proposal might be the best we can do, but we SHOULD still do it...

Brody Murphy (no relation to Mike Murphy, or the new right-wing blog in town, just a sad coincidence...)

Andy (or excuse me Brody), if that's the justice s...

2006-04-19T17:07:00.000-05:00

Andy (or excuse me Brody), if that's the justice system you support, then you should move to Iran. I doubt your boss, the politician, shares your views.

"But in the case of strangers, good parenting can ...

2006-04-19T15:24:00.000-05:00

"But in the case of strangers, good parenting can go a long way towards reducing these cases."

And good prosecution with effective policies can go further. I don't want to "reduce these cases" I want to eliminate them, and string the pedophiles up by their toenails. Protecting our children, hell, protecting one child, is a worthy cause. The loony left is wrong on this one. Protect a child = good. Argue about protecting a child = weak-ass academic liberalism.

Look--I don't think either of you are interested i...

2006-04-19T10:55:00.000-05:00

Look--I don't think either of you are interested in an intelligent discussion of the facts concerning this proposal--but for the benefit of the many other intelligent readers of this blog, let's take a look at these facts.

This ordinance targets the occasions when children are molested by strangers. Only 11% of child victims are molested by a stranger; 89% are molested by someone known to the child. Of those molested by someone known to the child, 29% are committed by another family member, while 60% are acquaintances, such as a caretaker, a family friend or your local priest. 75% of the reported cases of child molestation take place in either the victim's home or the perpetrator's home (which is typically someone known to the child, such as a family member or friend).

It is hard for parents to protect their children from people close to them who you would never suspect of doing something so awful to their children. But in the case of strangers, good parenting can go a long way towards reducing these cases.

If you care to look at the statistics, go to http://www.yellodyno.com/html/child_molester_stats.html

Gary-Honestly, you think that the only children wh...

2006-04-19T09:43:00.000-05:00

Gary-

Honestly, you think that the only children who are victims of molestation are the ones whose parents are irresponsible. Again, please make that argument, "child molesters aren't responsible, its the parents' fault..." Go ahead...

Ah, so Gary is now saying that when kids are moles...

2006-04-19T08:46:00.000-05:00

Ah, so Gary is now saying that when kids are molested its the parents fault.

It is totally reasonable to protect our children, ...

2006-04-18T18:43:00.000-05:00

It is totally reasonable to protect our children, but that involves parental responsibility. I think it is reprehensible that so many parents turn young kids loose to play in a park without any supervision, or leave them locked up in a hot car in the summer while they go shopping. If a parent is doing their parenting properly, there kids would know not to allow themselves to be taken in by strangers. Kids often become the victims of child molesters because they aren't receiving any attention from their parents, and they are impressed by an adult paying so much attention to them. Fixing this problems begins at home.

As to reasonableness, how else could you enforce this ordinance other than to have park rangers stop any "suspicious-looking" person, ask to see their i.d., and then cross-reference it with the sex offender registry list to first determine if the person is listed and, second, determine if the person was convicted of one of the offenses covered by the ordinance (not all registered offenders are subject to the proposed ordinance). I think it is absurd to expect or want park rangers to spend all their time stopping and interrogating anyone who looks suspicious. You or I may look suspicious after sitting down on a park bench for a rest after taking a run.

Also, why is is that only sex offenders are being singled out? Does a convicted drug dealer not pose a risk to children in our parks. Might a drug dealer entice a young person to "pony" drugs for him for cash, or offer drugs to teen-aged kids. Does a convicted rapist not pose a similar risk to your daughter?

Then we get into the attendant constitutional issues with this type of law--others have been struck down as unconstitutional. So are we going to enact another unconstitutional ordinance like the Mayor's violent video games ordinance and waste taxpayers' money defending a law the courts won't accept?

Gary, you say its on the side of reason, and despi...

2006-04-18T18:27:00.000-05:00

Gary, you say its on the side of reason, and despite the snarky comments of another, I will accept the premise.

Then, isn't it REASONABLE to protect our children. I don't care if the law is hard to enforce or not wholly effective (what law is), if ONE child is protected, is it not a good law? As for reading the state law, I would assume you have a problem with that, according to your replies, it does the same thing as the ordinace would, and you're agianst that.

Crime is threatening our city and our children. This is one small step that we can take to protect them. Make our children safer, not the pedophiles more comfortable...

No Gary--it's called being on the side of child mo...

2006-04-18T15:58:00.000-05:00

No Gary--it's called being on the side of child molesters.

No--it's called being on the side of reason.

2006-04-18T15:49:00.000-05:00

No--it's called being on the side of reason.

Once again, Gary Welsh: On the side of sex offende...

2006-04-18T12:07:00.000-05:00

Once again, Gary Welsh: On the side of sex offenders. Sorry moms, dads, and young kids, but Gary has an agenda to push.

Nice try Brody--but it just doesn't play. It's no ...

2006-04-18T07:19:00.000-05:00

Nice try Brody--but it just doesn't play. It's no different than Mayor Peterson's silly ploy to crack down on violent video games. It made some good press for him at the time, but $750,000 dollars later, the law was struck down by the Supreme Court. You obviously haven't bothered to read the new state law--if you had, you would know there is absolutely no reason for this ordinance.

So, Advance Indiana is going to go on the record w...

2006-04-18T06:42:00.000-05:00

So, Advance Indiana is going to go on the record with the City-County Council as being FOR child molestors and rapists? Kiddie porn in the classrooms, sounds like a good public policy stance. Plowman's arguement doesn't make a whole lot of sense either -- if the ordinance would keep ONE child safer, enact it, enact it yesterday. What he doesn't seem to understand is that the law must be narrowly tailored to prevent the loony left from striking it down. Go on the record with child molesters. Protect children, or protect pedophilles...