tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post115729122390975822..comments2020-04-11T03:30:02.282-05:00Gary R. Welshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1157541606106794812006-09-06T06:20:00.000-05:002006-09-06T06:20:00.000-05:00"right"<BR/><BR/>fat thumbs small keyboard grrrrrAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1157541568621193672006-09-06T06:19:00.000-05:002006-09-06T06:19:00.000-05:00As for The Star...<BR/><BR/>Better late than never. Even a blind squirrel can find acrons once in awhile.<BR/><BR/>But this is an opinion on the editorial page. Where is their news coverage? It was pathetic and incomplete, at best.<BR/><BR/>If not for AI and other blogs, I'm not sure this would ever have seen the light of day.<BR/><BR/>And Clark Kahlo, too...he grate son my nerves, but sometimes, he'r gith, and he's persistent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1157540114326173732006-09-06T05:55:00.000-05:002006-09-06T05:55:00.000-05:00The Star Editorial board has stepped into the fray . . . <BR/><BR/>No good reason to build this bar<BR/> <BR/>Our position: Plans to open a bar at the Center Township government center should be halted.<BR/> <BR/>There's plenty about the proposed bar at the Julia Carson Government Center that is offensive to the cause of good government.<BR/>Start with the effort by Center Township Trustee Carl Drummer (with the acquiescence of Indy Parks Director Joe Wynns) to turn part of Al E. Polin Park into a parking lot for the bar, a move since aborted amid public pressure. However, playground equipment, used by a daycare center, already has been removed and slated for relocation. As a result, a haven has been lost for the mostly poor families residing in nearby neighborhoods.<BR/><BR/>Drummer cannot give a good excuse for advocating the elimination of park space designated for residents he was elected to serve. Especially for the benefit of a private business.<BR/><BR/>Given that surrounding neighborhoods such as Fall Creek have long been plagued by drug- and alcohol-related crime, adding another bar would contribute to, not help, the area's problems.<BR/><BR/>As the landlord, Drummer shouldn't have allowed the bar's ownership to build out the space and construct an outdoor deck without obtaining the proper permits from the Department of Metropolitan Development. It shouldn't have required an anonymous complaint, filed in June, along with an inspector's stop-work order, to cease construction.<BR/><BR/>Given his relationship with the club's owners, which include longtime powerbroker Lacy Johnson and his son, Drummer shouldn't have been so closely involved in the deal. The fact that the bar's clientele was originally intended to be Center Township employees and their guests -- essentially making it a club for Drummer and his allies -- adds to the perception of cronyism.<BR/><BR/>The blame doesn't belong to Drummer alone. No one, from Judith Hawley Conley (who approved the partial demolition of Polin Park) to the City-County Council, was looking out for residents' best interests. If not for community activist Clarke Kahlo, no hard questions would have been asked about the propriety of opening the bar.<BR/><BR/>No good reason exists to open a bar in the Carson Center. Drummer should reverse course and kill the lease.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1157517126555034642006-09-05T23:32:00.000-05:002006-09-05T23:32:00.000-05:00"it's interesting all the AnonyMice scurrying around here ..."<BR/><BR/>As opposed to your sock puppets, Wilson?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1157511506023634022006-09-05T21:58:00.000-05:002006-09-05T21:58:00.000-05:00Very well said Queen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1157508809872843472006-09-05T21:13:00.000-05:002006-09-05T21:13:00.000-05:00Excuse the typo errors "councillors"Queen916https://www.blogger.com/profile/16645350502782946096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1157508605454828582006-09-05T21:10:00.000-05:002006-09-05T21:10:00.000-05:00Email addresses for these two counillors.<BR/><BR/>woliver@indygov.org, esalisbu@indygov.orgQueen916https://www.blogger.com/profile/16645350502782946096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1157505527442486762006-09-05T20:18:00.000-05:002006-09-05T20:18:00.000-05:00To All Concerned:<BR/><BR/>This email was sent today.<BR/> We have an over abundance of liquor stores and bars within this community. Mapleton Fall Creek Neighborhood is presently being revitalized. It is primarily residential, and has had a major problem with illegal drug activity in the past. There have been drug marches and demonstrations to drive the drug pushes from the area. <BR/> <BR/> Our youth do not need to be endangered with drunken drivers leaving this facility in a government building in their neighborhood. I am sure there are other locations within the city for these investors to locate a bar/restaurant. May I recommend Peyton's Place on Indiana Avenue is for sale as an alternative location.<BR/> <BR/>The hearing for a variance is scheduled for 10/4/06 , liquor license on 10/16/06. This enitre process was rushed through without the community's knowledge; no building permits etc.<BR/> <BR/>When this proposal is presented to the Council for a vote, I am hoping that you will vote no!<BR/> <BR/>Please review the budget for the Center Township Trustee and the contractual agreements. The public has a right to know if a conflict of interests exists when attorneys for the township are paid with their tax dollars to represent petitions for this project, and public relations firms in support of a privately owned business venture unrelated to the conduct of important Township business. This effort is not the responsibility of the Trustee, assisting the less fortunate in the township is!<BR/> <BR/>I look forward to hearing from each of you. <BR/><BR/>Emails for your city-county councillors:<BR/>Dr. Borst, Patrice Abdullah, and Bob Cockrum did not have an email listed.<BR/><BR/>rgibson@indygov.org, kingro@sbcglobal.net, rboyd@indygov.org, sherronfranklin@yahoo.com, Keller@indy.net, missbeckyis@sbcglobal.net, m.speedy@sbcglobal.net, susieday20@yahoo.com, dmmahern@hotmail.com, VABrown2022@yahoo.com, mmadams@iquest.net, mpfister@indygov.org, esalisbu@indygove.org, jnytes@indygov.org, mgray@indygov.org, Greg@gregBowes.org, <BR/>L8638@aol.com, CainforCouncil@aol.com, schneider725@yahoo.com, jstacyb@sbcglobal.net, angelamansfield@aol.com, jmsanders@msn.com, pbateman@indygov.org, Ikerand@iquest.net, lincolnplowman@aol.com, Keller@indy.netQueen916https://www.blogger.com/profile/16645350502782946096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1157505349095632772006-09-05T20:15:00.000-05:002006-09-05T20:15:00.000-05:00If this bar is ever allowed to open, won't it have to be smoke free since it is in a government building?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1157504194319546572006-09-05T19:56:00.000-05:002006-09-05T19:56:00.000-05:00Thank you.<BR/><BR/>Is the Lexus very expensive?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1157499773679435642006-09-05T18:42:00.000-05:002006-09-05T18:42:00.000-05:00The Indiana Secretary of State's website has an online database you can search of Indiana's registered business entities. Lexis is a subscriber-based service that has a database with the same information it gathers from SoS records.Gary R. Welshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1157498934972890222006-09-05T18:28:00.000-05:002006-09-05T18:28:00.000-05:00Interesting posts.<BR/> Bradford and Schneider have been no friends of neighborhoods lately. The ridiculous Whole Foods case on the northside is just one example. The same case that Ms. Conley presided over, and which her husband pleaded with fellow Dems in caucus to support. The typical council protocol, which goes cross party lines, is that the district councillor must call it up. Or, at last resort, an at-large councillor. <BR/> That puts the ball squarely in Mr. Abdullah's court. And I'm telling you, he may be a good man, I hardly know him...but better men than him have succumbed to the pressure he's going to face before that vote. It's like water torture...drip, drip, drip...<BR/> AI, I hate to be an idiot, but what this about the difference between SoS online and a Lexus database? You lost me there.<BR/> Here's another tactic to consider: what does the Comprehensive Plan call for at the Carson Center? Not that the Comp Plan actually means anything any more.<BR/> Oh what a tangled web we weave, when we work to deceive...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1157498599347483092006-09-05T18:23:00.000-05:002006-09-05T18:23:00.000-05:00Peyton's Place on Indiana Avenue is for sale. This would be an ideal location for this group.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1157496733819188842006-09-05T17:52:00.000-05:002006-09-05T17:52:00.000-05:00Today paradise ...put up a parking lot...Tear down a park ....open a yuppie racist bar..., <BR/>Makes sense to me...NOT.Legacy Userhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10026319530464668157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1157489565959790392006-09-05T15:52:00.000-05:002006-09-05T15:52:00.000-05:00Network, LLC is registered with the Secretary of State according to the Lexis database of SoS records. The filing took place on April 26, 2006. Lacy M. Johnson, III is shown as the registered agent with a registered office address at 5968 Medora, Indpls, IN 46228. I don't know why it isn't showing up in the SoS online database.Gary R. Welshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1157485638316996772006-09-05T14:47:00.000-05:002006-09-05T14:47:00.000-05:00If the ATC Hearing date is on 10/16/2006 then they should have to do the following 10 days prior.<BR/><BR/>They must post a public notice of application at the building.<BR/><BR/>On the day of the hearing they must fill out form - AFFIDAVIT OF COMPLIANCE REGARDING NOTICE POSTING<BR/><BR/>On that form they swear that<BR/><BR/>The undersigned applicant(s) for a permit concerning alcoholic beverages, swears or affirms that a Public Notice of Application has been continuously and<BR/>conspicuously posted on the premises for which the license is applied, in the manner prescribed by the Alcohol and Tobacco Commission, for no less than ten<BR/>(10) days prior to the scheduled Local Board hearing.<BR/><BR/>The foregoing statements are provided under penalty of perjury, IC 7.1-3-1-28 and ATC rules.<BR/><BR/>This affidavit must be submitted at the Local Board hearing. The Public Notice of Application must be posted for no less than ten (10) days prior to<BR/>the scheduled Local Board hearing.<BR/><BR/>** The same person or persons who signed the actual application or notice must execute this affidavit. If the applicant is a corporation, the corporate president and secretary who signed the application of notice shall execute this affidavit by affixing the same signatures and titles.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1157478246162589002006-09-05T12:44:00.000-05:002006-09-05T12:44:00.000-05:00With respect to the MCABC - at least there is one Republican on the board and that's Tim Sadler. Though he will be outvoted by Belle Choate and the ATC representative, who just votes with the wind.<BR/><BR/>The full CCC would be a logical stop if this passes MDC. Of course we all know who the most brazen, take no prisoners GOP councillors are - Jim Bradford and Scott Schneider - and one of them could call it out. One Dem would break ranks to vote against it - Patrice Abdullah.Sir Hailstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16301073859882785758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1157472031514378172006-09-05T11:00:00.000-05:002006-09-05T11:00:00.000-05:00Because of the rules of engagement, lobbying the decision makers is not real easy, and to the average citizen, it can be confusing.<BR/><BR/>Step One is the Metropolitan Development Commission hearing. <BR/><BR/>Step Two, a few days later, is the alcohol beverage permit hearing. <BR/><BR/>Step Three, if the MDC allows this travesty to continue, is the full council, who, after the MDC hearing, can allow the rezoning to pass quietly into law, or, if they choose, call it up for a full council up/down vote.<BR/><BR/>It's early to write councillors for Step 3, but write them anyway. They will remember. You cannot lobby the members of the MDC, because their rules don't allow it. They don't even vote publicly--they write their vote on a piece of paper. (It's time for that archaic practice to end, also). <BR/><BR/>You can lobby the alcohol commission members--but their chair is Cong. Carson's staff manager's wife. Go figure. Lately, they have been disallowing evidence based solely on zoning, so at that hearing, brush up on the law, and put forth evidence or comments that speak only to the alcohol permit transfer process. <BR/><BR/>Councillor Abdullah is no doubt being visited regularly by the Drummer-Johnson-Ice Miller crowd. Throw in Mr. Mays. Mr. Abdullah needs to knonw he is supported by the people on this one, because we don't have the same kind of access those clowns have.<BR/><BR/>Write him today. <BR/><BR/>And--could someone go to the next Center Township Board meeting? And ask publicly why this crap continues. And ask publicly for evidence on the law bills, to see if we Center Township residents paid for the rezoning application. For that matter, any citizen should be able to request payment claims and vouchers now, because thye're public record. But it'd better be someone who has nothing to lose, because in Drummerworld, if you ask, you must be promptly extinguished. <BR/><BR/>That's how serious this crowd plays the game. They'll intimidate you by staring you down. Pathetic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1157471306792693772006-09-05T10:48:00.000-05:002006-09-05T10:48:00.000-05:00Anon 1048 is right. Keep your eye on the ball and the ball is the restaurant/bar shenanigans. Yes it is time to post, but it is also time to write. Put pressure on council and make people accountable. No one should be hiding behind a spokesman.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1157471060769854272006-09-05T10:44:00.000-05:002006-09-05T10:44:00.000-05:00I never thought I'd support Patrice Abdullah in <B><I>ANYTHING</I></B> but in this case he better not fold or bend under the weight of the Machine, for the good of the City.<BR/><BR/>Once again - it's not WHAT they are putting in that's the problem. It's WHERE and HOW it's being done that is the BIG PROBLEM.Sir Hailstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16301073859882785758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1157467687321666252006-09-05T09:48:00.000-05:002006-09-05T09:48:00.000-05:00There is no question that the crowd in power, beleives it's "my way or the highway," and they're hellbent on taking everything they can for themselves. And their friends. The word "greed" hasn't been used here, but it is one of their credo words. Right behind "arrogance."<BR/><BR/>And, they believe heartily in retribution. No one who questions them is beyond their wrath. The people who post here regularly know that is a fact. <BR/><BR/>My only point in earlier posts, was that the clothing-sale issue has been beaten like a dead horse. <BR/><BR/>I'm tellin you--this Carson Center bar issue has legs. Big time.<BR/><BR/>Just look at the number of posts AI gets on this issue, and the other blogs get. AI rarely gets over 10 posts on any issue. This one's up to 30 now in a little under 48 hours. <BR/><BR/>Ruth Holladay posted on it and it damned near busted her computer. The responses were overwhelming.<BR/><BR/>Drummer, Carson, Johnson, and their pals, may have reached their low water mark. Stay on this issue. Keep posting new facts. Stay anonymous--these people fight back, hard.<BR/><BR/>Please, don't forget Councillor Abdullah. I gaurantee you he's feeling extreme pressure from fellow Dem bigwigs. Let him know his questions and concerns are valid, and that you support him.<BR/><BR/>Don't give up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1157463811884312422006-09-05T08:43:00.000-05:002006-09-05T08:43:00.000-05:00Anonymous-How well do you really know me? There are several disgruntled former employees of the Center Township Trustee Office who are talking about the past and present conduct of that office. They do have first hand knowledge of everything that has been done. Some of them were terminated because they would not go along with the program.<BR/><BR/>If these elected officials are<BR/>going to run on their record of incumbency, every issue is relevant to this debate.<BR/><BR/>For too long they have been silenced by threats and intimidation to "whistle blow". <BR/><BR/>You seem to have a problem with the truth being told finally. the public does have a right to know.<BR/><BR/>The bar/restaurant deal is just another example of their abuse of power in that office.<BR/><BR/>I am very capable of speaking for myself, and identifying issues of concern in the comunity, and when I do, you will not have to guess about it, my name will be on it!Queen916https://www.blogger.com/profile/16645350502782946096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1157461935967461612006-09-05T08:12:00.000-05:002006-09-05T08:12:00.000-05:00Maybe they should be notified. I'm sure Bart will wake up then.<BR/><BR/>http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/pubcorrupt/pubcorrupt.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1157457864806451422006-09-05T07:04:00.000-05:002006-09-05T07:04:00.000-05:00You tell 'em Queen!Sir Hailstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16301073859882785758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1157455769917291952006-09-05T06:29:00.000-05:002006-09-05T06:29:00.000-05:00Paul Cripe also obtained a permit to build the parking lot over Polin Park.Gary R. Welshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438noreply@blogger.com