Comments on Advance Indiana™: Mays Whines About $100,000 Investment In Bar

Yes, the letter given to Drummer was signed by Sha...

2006-09-15T07:27:00.000-05:00

Yes, the letter given to Drummer was signed by Shary Johnston who is the president of the CDC and not the neighborhood association and it was read by the Mrs. Warner, president.

Councilor Abdullah stated in his remarks that prior experience with neighborhood CDC's, they do not speak for the area residents. Therefore, the letter does not actually speak for the association.

Both Mr. Abdullah and I have previously served as officers in neighborhood associations over a long period of time. I do agree with him, that often the community development corporation in an area will bypass the wishes of the neighborhood association and give their support to projects and proposals without informing the neighborhood association and its members who actually live in the boundaries.

The makeup of the CDC membership is small in number, and the majority of their board members do not live in the area. The small staff members are paid employees.
In fact, I am told that Ms. Johnston does not live in Mapleton Fall Creek.

Drummer read this letter to him Township Board last week and I told them the same thing. The letter carries no weight on the matter. The homeowners and businesses in the neighborhood need to have their say.

Ms. Johnston's support for the project is does not carry the weight that he needs, the support from the area residents will determine the outcome for the variance and liquor license.

Slick, sly, double-talking attorneys; Atty. Oaks did not have the answers for the tough questions raised by residents. In fact, he really played dumb.

The Star has a good article by both Tully and the ...

2006-09-15T06:00:00.000-05:00

The Star has a good article by both Tully and the editorial about the bar and how it is not a good idea.

The editorial touches on the lack of permits and how it has been pushed through anticipating no resitance.

Queen 916, thanks for the information on the neigh...

2006-09-15T01:22:00.000-05:00

Queen 916, thanks for the information on the neighborhood meeting. I'm curious if there was any comments about the letter the neighborhood association president supposedly issued to Drummer in support of the project?

Advance Indiana - Thank you for your coverage of i...

2006-09-14T23:28:00.000-05:00

Advance Indiana - Thank you for your coverage of issues and information not readily accessible in the local media.

Queen916 - I am not anonymous, my name is Jocelyn-Tandy Torkwase Adande
African name Torkwase (means Queen) Adande (means the challenger) a lifelong resident of Indianapolis in Center Township.

Former political columnist for the Indianapolis Recorder Newspaper and In Touch columnist for the Indianapolis Star, WTLC Talk Show hostess.

Presently,
I am a veteran community/political activist and self-employed business woman. IUPUI Graduate

Wilson46201 - Knowledge is power, and I have too much for your small brain.

The park had to be removed to allow for the liquor license which will not be supported or approved.

Update:The Mapleton Fall Creek Neighborhood Associ...

2006-09-14T22:09:00.000-05:00

Update:

The Mapleton Fall Creek Neighborhood Association met tonight at Phillips Temple Church.
Channel 59 News was there.

Atty. Tim Oaks with Ice Miller represented the investors for the bar/restaurant, along with the designer for the bar. Mr. Oaks was told to request a continuance for the variance until the residents of the neighborhood have been informed of all the details surrounding this project.

The majority of the residents were not aware of this project until the first article appeared in the Indianapolis Star in August.

A request was made for the investors to come to the next meeting on Thursday, Oct 12th, 6:30 p.m. The neighborhood will vote on whether they want to have a bar/restaurant or a family restaurant in the building.

I had to raise the subject of the liquor license. Atty. Oaks stated that he was not aware of a petition being filed and that another attorney was handling it.

Actually, the members had to pull information from him. He avoided answering our questions and was vague about who was paying the legal fees, the Trustee or the investors. He referred me to Carl Drummer.

Councilor Abdullah was present as well. He informed us that he has already notified the Liquor Board that he will remonstrate against the petition for the liquor license, but, he will support the will of the area residents.

Wilson you are wrong as usual!

Anonymous 46038 - You live in Fishers or Lawrence Township and I live in Center Township. This issue directly affects the property owners in this neighborhood. By the way, I am not anonymous. Anonymity protects individuals from harassment.

Gary, check your site stats and you’ll find that I...

2006-09-14T19:02:00.000-05:00

Gary, check your site stats and you’ll find that I have had NO part in any of the previous discourse your blog entries have generated concerning the downtown restaurant/bar, and NO, I also don’t have any firsthand experience with any of your other commenter’s. That aside, it would be good to stop the anonymous comments. That would be in everyone’s best interests.

Ok, gotta run now, but do know I’ll be checking back-in to follow along. Even if you don’t care to know ‘this average citizen living out in Fishers.’ … what a riot!

... actually, the meeting never was scheduled for ...

2006-09-14T17:12:00.000-05:00

... actually, the meeting never was scheduled for today. Oopsies!

"No Park Left Behind" is such a hot topic that only poor Jocelyn showed up all by her lonely self ...

Update: Center Township Board Meeting has been res...

2006-09-14T16:50:00.000-05:00

Update: Center Township Board Meeting has been rescheduled for Monday, 9/18/06, 5:00 p.m. at the 300 Fall Creek Building regarding the 2007 Budget for the Township.

'bout damn time! I'm a volunteer moderator on a ma...

2006-09-14T16:36:00.000-05:00

'bout damn time!

I'm a volunteer moderator on a major national liberal blog and its damn hard work keeping a political discussion thread civilized. Cut'N Run anonymous commenters can try to disrupt. Egregiously off-topic "spamming" is a distraction too.

I do sympathize with AI. Good local political blogs can be quite, quite useful. Information can be shared and loonies can get exposed. Reporters can get tips and leads from local blogs.

46038-I don't even know who the hell Queen whateve...

2006-09-14T16:01:00.000-05:00

46038-I don't even know who the hell Queen whatever is? Frankly, I don't want to know any of you based upon the discourse you carrying on among one another. I'm really not interested in your ongoing little battles within the Democratic Party. If you have something to say about the subject matter of the post, then speak to it. Otherwise, and this goes for all of you, I will end the practice of allowing anonymous post. You can either identify yourself, or you won't be allowed to make posts here.

The original title of this thread was Bill Mays's ...

2006-09-14T15:18:00.000-05:00

The original title of this thread was Bill Mays's feigned surprise at the lack of welcoming arms.

I'm still trying to amass all the sympathy I can...I have spent the day doing so.

Alas, no luck.

No sympathy.

If he wants a barometer for neighborhood acceptance of one of his bubblebrain ideas next time, he can write me a check for, oh $10K, I'll tell him, and save him $90K if it doesn't work out. Clearly he has no internal barometer for these things.

Too Julia Carson Supporters:Go ask your Ghetto Maf...

2006-09-14T15:10:00.000-05:00

Too Julia Carson Supporters:

Go ask your Ghetto Mafia Queen if the information on these blogs is true or false?

You can kiss where the sun don't shine!

You're the ones who lack knowledge and information about what is really going on.

For your information I have gotten used to character assassinations started by her and her goons for over the last 25 years. Even though I don't approve of it.

Guess what, I know who and what I am and you can't define me!

Finally some of her anonymous friends have signed in. Yes, all crooks must stay anonymous.

People who don't want to be harassed or intimidated for speaking against this gang must sign in as anonymous.

I stand for truth and service to my people, what you stand for.

In spite of the slanted polls by Channel 8, Eric Dickerson will be the winner election night.

The real poll is Election Day.
The black community wants a change!

You "sickies" bring it on! or better yet tell Julia to bring it on! Personally, I have had enough of her shenanigans anyway.

now 3:44 is channeling Amos Brown.Intersting after...

2006-09-14T15:08:00.000-05:00

now 3:44 is channeling Amos Brown.

Intersting afternoon, AI.

Anonymous 2:10 / 2:13 : BULL

2006-09-14T15:02:00.000-05:00

Anonymous 2:10 / 2:13 : BULL

NOTE TO THE BLACK COMMUNITY AND ITS SUPPORTERS!!!!...

2006-09-14T14:44:00.000-05:00

NOTE TO THE BLACK COMMUNITY AND ITS SUPPORTERS!!!!!!

Take your concerns and comments on any and all issues impacting the black community elsewhere. This blog's owner doesn't give rat's ass about the black community.

Don't give his blog 'play' no matter what the bait. He doesn't CARE!

Polin Park was a park. It was on Indy Parks web s...

2006-09-14T13:44:00.000-05:00

Polin Park was a park. It was on Indy Parks web site with a park manager and amenities listed: playground. Do a google search on Polin Park. They have since taken it off the web site, but it's still available if you do the google search.

Also, I was told that there is no kitchen in this Bar/Club so I don't know how it can be represented as a restaurant. Someone should ask to see a menu.

for what it is worth, 46038, no one can control Jo...

2006-09-14T13:13:00.000-05:00

for what it is worth, 46038, no one can control Jocelyn (queen).

She's viewed as either nuts or prophethic. Pick your poison.

Wilson is just Wilson. Blindly loyal to this political machine that will, mark my words, eat itself before long. It's already eating its young.

Lighten up. AI serves a good purpose. I don't always agree with him, either, especially when he tries to fan the Dickerson flames, but it's his blog.

Start your own if you don't like it.

46038 is channeling Sarge Visher...

2006-09-14T13:10:00.000-05:00

46038 is channeling Sarge Visher...

Speaking of ‘backroom deals’, Gary, what behind th...

2006-09-14T12:33:00.000-05:00

Speaking of ‘backroom deals’, Gary, what behind the scenes deal did you cut with the likes of homophobe Queen916 & Co.? Did it go something like this …?

GLBT focused Advance Indiana won’t challenge or mention Queen’s other well known homo-hating agenda if/because Queen agrees to senselessly RANT on-and-on-and-on in support of AI’s larger agenda to flack for GOP candidate Eric Dickerson.

Bashing long and well-known supporters of the GLBT community of Democrats—such as, the Honorable Julia Carson—in order to get your guy Dickerson a few extra votes in a race he doesn’t stand a rat’s ass chance in winning is just plain stupid. Don’t believe this waaaay outsider, then by all means do check-in with the GOP shakers who refuse to promote your guy in any meaningful way … maybe they’ll even admitt that doing so only strengthens the vote in other Democratic countywide elections they REALLY can’t afford to lose.

The issues you keep trying to play partisan politics with—tax abatements/give-a-ways to private businesses/admonishment of the ‘good ole boy network’—are of serious concern to the average citizen but are understood by all, but the brain dead, to cut across party lines … So why not stick with the issues at hand and ditch the GOP suggested guerilla tactics.

Wilson, you may not be on Julia's payroll, but you...

2006-09-14T12:14:00.000-05:00

Wilson, you may not be on Julia's payroll, but your lips seem to move in synch with her hands.

I assume Eric Dickerson and his trusty sidekick Da...

2006-09-14T12:04:00.000-05:00

I assume Eric Dickerson and his trusty sidekick Darla Williams will be at Jocelyn's board meeting tonight ...

So, the trustee has that huge building on Mass Ave...

2006-09-14T11:55:00.000-05:00

So, the trustee has that huge building on Mass Ave, the Carson Building, and the Y.

Heat, cool , secure and maintain those three complexes. See how much it costs.

Efficiency? Pshaw!

Carl has all these collector cars, and he was able to do that on a trustee's salary? And formerly, on a trustee's security director's salary? Hmmmmmm. And now we hear (true?) that he stores them in a publicly-owned building?

Has he no shame, no moral compass, no sense of propriety?

These folks have been sucking at the public trough for too long. They are treating public cash and access as their own fiefdom. It would be one thing if it were efficient, but this is nuts. They've forgotten to whom they report and for whom they work.

It's sad this is coming to light at election time. Wilson and his friends will dismiss this as election year politics. It's not.

It's way too serious for that.

Time for these folks to lawyer-up. Those 7 little words no one wants to hear:

"You have the right to remain silent."

Storing personal autos in a public facility, negotiating public facility leases without proper approval, conflicts of interest...come on, Carl, here's your chance.

I've been retired from paid employment for over a ...

2006-09-14T11:40:00.000-05:00

I've been retired from paid employment for over a year. I am not paid by the Carson campaign and do not speak for the Carson campaign. I do not speak for Carl Drummer either.

All my writing is my own and is not authorized by anybody except me!

And I approve this message ...

Wilson46201 - Tell the truth! It seems the Julia ...

2006-09-14T11:02:00.000-05:00

Wilson46201 - Tell the truth! It seems the Julia Carson syndrome has rubbed off on you too!

The Township Board Members were upset that he signed a lease and approved this business transaction without a prior notice. Linda Journey gave him a real scolding for his actions. Carl Drummer did give them an apology and promised not to make the same mistake in the future.

I was there and you it, the Township Board Meeting last week and by the way, there seems to be fat in the budget for maintenance, upgrades to the security system in the Julia Carson Government Building, like cameras in the elevators to be installed, etc. Holding down spending for poor relief, while maintaining a multi-million dollar surplus in the bank.

How many office building have security cameras in the elevators?

The second budget hearing by the Township Board is today at 5:00 p.m. at 300 Fall Creek for their final approval for the 2007 budget to be recommended to the City-County Council for approval. If you are interested be there.

Wilson46201 - Tell the truth! It seems the Julia ...

2006-09-14T11:01:00.000-05:00