Comments on Advance Indiana™: Why The Rule Of Law Matters

By the way, tell me "WHEN" after the election seas...

2007-01-27T14:47:00.000-05:00

By the way, tell me "WHEN" after the election season that Ms. Williams made any comments to you or anyone else regarding whether this was a campaign issue.

You can't because she has NEVER commented on it.

MPFC Property Owner: Political corruption, as the...

2007-01-27T14:38:00.000-05:00

MPFC Property Owner:

Political corruption, as the 300 East project is rightfully defined, "should" be a campaign issue during campaign season, so what!...and it does not matter that the campaign season ended, the political corruption still exists and we WILL continue to expose it.

Good for nothing deadbeat politicians are the only ones that fight for an issue "during campaign season only", then drop it after the election.

There 2 people who constantly stalk, harrass and attack others on this blog; and the few other blogs that still allow them to post, who are exposing corruption in Marion County and Center Township are employees for the ghetto mafia and I just ignore them. I scroll past their comments and never read them because they are canned regurgitive statements from years and years of saying the same thing, over and over to intimidate and harrass into silence decent people in our community.

We WILL continue to do what is right.

Just to add to the debate . . . this was clearly a...

2007-01-26T18:17:00.000-05:00

Just to add to the debate . . . this was clearly a campaign issue for some candidates (namely Darla Williams - only because I had no contact with anyone else involved). But, I can say that when Darla stopped by my Mapleton Fallcreek residence pre-election time to campagn, 300 East was one of the first issues she presented to me. I find it funny now, that people -(including her) are denying it was a campain issue.

On the other hand, while I was one of the voters that helped to get the 5-1 or 6-1 (whatever it was) spread in my area, I'm not sure that I would have voted the same way now. Initially the idea of a new restaurant in the area sounded wonderful, but then sometime around election time - more information about The Savoy started to come out. I would still be totally in support of the idea - had the proper rules been followed, and I think many of my neighbors feel the same way (although I can't speak for all of them). It's not the fact that they want to serve alcohol or any of the other non-sense, it the simple fact that rules weren't followed. Had they gotten permits, a real lease and maybe a variance that allowed them an exception to the statute, I think most people in our area would be fine with the bar. But, at this point, how can anyone trust anything they say and who knows if the bar will be as positive for the neighborhood as the Dems are trying to make it seem. I'm willing to wait and see though.

-MPFC Property Owner

I know this is a late take, but to the Mapleton Fa...

2007-01-24T12:25:00.000-05:00

I know this is a late take, but to the Mapleton Fall Creek Resident, this is not a neighborhood issue or a Center Township issue. It's been exposed by Carl Drummer himself that 300 East will be making profits rent-free in a publicly-owned building. That, among all the other brilliantly analyzed points in the column, should have been enough to stop the approval of the license.

I frequent this blog everyday. Gary does a great ...

2007-01-23T00:24:00.000-05:00

I frequent this blog everyday. Gary does a great job covering topics, relevant topics, that often get overlooked. I also read most of the comments and am dumbfounded; these "comments" actually represent people, people who are players in local/state government?

Bat Chit crazy! - all I can say

Advance:My Response to the dumpster diver, he need...

2007-01-22T01:36:00.000-05:00

Advance:

My Response to the dumpster diver, he needs to tell the whole story if he has the facts, not rumors are innuendoes.
I will not go into all of the details here, but there are certain politicians who have attempted to destroy me over the years, but I am still here, and will be here and involved.

As for Wilson Allen, you can go straight to hell! You don't know anything about my business. If you did, you would admit that some of your corrupt Democrat associates contributed to much of the topics you keep repeating on these blogs. You are a non-entity as far as I am concerned. I plan to publish in detail every incident on my blog. Unless you personally have first hand knowledge of the burglars, arsonist and thieves who have stolen from me, burned my home to the ground, get lost. As far as elections goes, voter fraud, destruction of campaign signs, etc. on election day, plenty of witnesse. In fact, it was stated that you destroyed some of Mr. Kiser's signs in the Primary, sounds familiar. One of the same tactics used when I ran. You have continued to make statements and allegations without telling the whole story. Cheap shots are all that you use and have against anyone who does not support the corrupt individuals you have supported. The truth will be told and I am sure that you and your friends will not like being exposed for what they really are.
By the way, I do know who I am and what I am. Name calling does not bother me. You are the insecure one.

LGBT folk dont "take over" bars despite the fears ...

2007-01-21T22:20:00.000-05:00

LGBT folk dont "take over" bars despite the fears of prejudiced str8 folk - developing a gay bar as such takes a conscious management decision by the operators...

Of course, LGBT customers will be welcome, I'm sure! The owners are Democrats, remember?

One of the restaurants biggest opponents was hateful Jocelyn Tandy who abominates gays and screams "FAGGOT" in parking lots...

I heard 300 EAST is going to be a gay and lesbian ...

2007-01-21T22:06:00.000-05:00

I heard 300 EAST is going to be a gay and lesbian bar. Is this rumor true? I hope so!

I liked how Ice Miller's attorneys tried to obfusc...

2007-01-21T20:07:00.000-05:00

I liked how Ice Miller's attorneys tried to obfuscate the issue of Mays' ownership of the Savoy nightclub. The attorney said he was not an applicant for that license, before he clarified that the original owners brought Mays in as a white knight to grease the wheels for them. That was actually more damning of Mays. The Savoy started out as a friendly neighborhood pub and was illegally converted to a dance club frequented by drug dealers and prostitutes. The board members professed ignorance, explaining the action to close the Savoy was not of their doing. Sandy Rey should be ashamed. Excise police were well aware of the problems with the Savoy. It was their duty to appear at that hearing and bring up the problems with Mays' other alcohol permit. I've noticed that the police send in the forces to these hearings armed with information on all the police runs when they want to block some joe blow from keeping his neighborhood bar.

The only person that's ever said I owe the taxpaye...

2007-01-21T17:44:00.000-05:00

The only person that's ever said I owe the taxpayers money is Deadbeat Jocelyn Tandy and she owes EVERYBODY money! Just look online at all her unpaid judgments! LOL

Sir Hailstone, you are correct on it being called ...

2007-01-21T16:57:00.000-05:00

Sir Hailstone, you are correct on it being called the Ugly Monkey. Thanks for posting the YouTube clips of the alcohol hearing.

Nit: The establishment in question is called The U...

2007-01-21T16:45:00.000-05:00

Nit: The establishment in question is called The Ugly Monkey

Anon 4:20, I checked this post on Wikipedia about ...

2007-01-21T16:26:00.000-05:00

Anon 4:20, I checked this post on Wikipedia about Indianapolis' Union Station: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Station_(Indianapolis). It does indeed indicate Union Station was converted into a festival marketplace by Woolen Molzan & Partners in 1979. It failed in 1997. The statute I cited would not have been needed originally, although once it reverted to city ownership, I believe that statute would permit the city to allow a lessee in the space to own an alcohol permit.

Wilson is wrong as ususal and vindictive at best. ...

2007-01-21T16:25:00.000-05:00

Wilson is wrong as ususal and vindictive at best. He needs to clean up where he lives. Lots of illegal drugs and prostitution in the area as well as high crime. If he is such a community minded indiividual, get some of those Democrat elected officials he praises so much to rid his neighborhood of the drugs and violence. Plus, tell them to give him soap and water to take a bath.
Did someone say he cheated the taxpayers. He needs to pay up or shut up!

AI, I believe when Union Station was developed as ...

2007-01-21T16:20:00.000-05:00

AI, I believe when Union Station was developed as a public mall/exhibition hall, it was privately-owned. I believe the city took it over after the owner defaulted on the loan. It failed because the selfish Simons refused to allow a connector be built between Circle Centre Mall and Union Station, leading to its demise as planned by the Simons. The original bar where the Monkey's Tail was located opened in there when it was under private ownership.

Barteau claimed Indiana laws permits alcohol sales...

2007-01-21T16:12:00.000-05:00

Barteau claimed Indiana laws permits alcohol sales on any government-owned building as long as its leased. He cited the example of the former license for the Monkey's Tail in Union Station. In fact, that authorization was made possible by this statute: "A city or county listed in this subsection that by itself or in combination with any other municipal body acquires by ownership or by lease any stadium, exhibition hall, auditorium, theater, convention center, or civic center may permit the retail sale of alcoholic beverages upon the premises if the governing board of the facility first applies for and secures the necessary permits as required by this title. The cities and counties to which this subsection applies are as follows:
(1) A consolidated city or its county."

AI, your comments about Mr. Barteau introducing hi...

2007-01-21T16:03:00.000-05:00

AI, your comments about Mr. Barteau introducing his own evidence on behalf of the applicant is exactly right. I've never seen a hearing conducted where the hearing officer was permitted to intoduce his own evidence in support of a petition. He even admitted to the ex parte visit to 300 East to take a tour and ask questions about the proposed bar. This man should be bounced from the Board. There are more than just a few people who suspect certain individuals of getting money under the table to get this one through.

Voting results do not mean acceptance of policies ...

2007-01-21T15:35:00.000-05:00

Voting results do not mean acceptance of policies Wilson. I don't believe for one minute that the voters are accepting of corruption. That is unless you're showing YOUR true colors as a racist and stating that blacks consider corruption acceptable? From your statement that is exactly what you hypothesize.

For what its worth I have parts of the liquor board meeting Part 1 HERE Part 2 HERE Part 3 HERE Part 4 HERE Part 5 HERE Part 6 HERE Part 7 HERE And The Vote HERE

I have tapes of the radio spots played endlessly b...

2007-01-21T15:05:00.000-05:00

I have tapes of the radio spots played endlessly by the Center Township Republican Victory Fund flogging the issue of "a bar in a government building". It was about the only issue the four GOP losers had going for them - and they lost bigtime. The one candidate still active on the issue got skunked the worst of any of the four. Ironic eh?

I'm hoping this tremendously frank and unbiased pr...

2007-01-21T11:54:00.000-05:00

I'm hoping this tremendously frank and unbiased presentation of evidence is helpful to folks. Superior work.

If you need any further evidence that Belle and Van were scandalously in Bill Mays's corner, look at the hearing. Their smirks and (un)righteous indignation were a disgrace.

It looks as if the DMD and the liquor advisory board, used the same collective logic that Wilson did: voters voted for Drummer, so they must not care about the bar.

Using that logic, how would you suppose those same nearby residents expressed their opinion on the U.S. Senate in 2006? Given that Lugar walked away unopposed...they must support Lugar's prolonged silence form his perch of power on the war in Iraq.

Dave Leonards lives about eight blocks from the bar. I have known of him through countywide neighborhood association activities for years. Attacking his credibility is pure Wilsonian. Dave was the most recent president of the MFCNA and when HE was president, anyone who wanted to vote on a zoning issue had the right to bring it before the association. With proper ntice, they did so, many times.

I'm serious about this--a prosecutor ought to look into it. Clara Warner and Al Polin ought to have their bank accounts scrutinized.

Cause ya see, that's the way the 300 East crowd plays games.

And for the last time,. Wilson: the voters DID NOT SPEAK on this issue. It was NOT A CAMPAIGN ISSUE in 2006. Mostly because the powers that be wanted it, and they control Center by about 6-1. Or more, in some areas. Using this as a voting issue wouldve been political suicide.

It IS an ethics and morals issue. And we all know where the petitioners stand on those counts, given their scandalous activity on this and/or the Savoy case.

Just harken back to Monroe Gray's answer regarding his wife's investorship in this project.
His contempt for the process and the public was palpable. And disgraceful.

As for Ice Miller...they whore around wherever there's money to be made. Ask the Lawrence water utility folks. Scrivener's notes...remember?

All that aside--posting Wilson's address and phone number was a little low. Leave him alone. He tends to piss off most folks in good time, except those asking him to dig up dirt on oponents.

Great write up AI !We al know if an average citizi...

2007-01-21T10:20:00.000-05:00

Great write up AI !

We al know if an average citizin tried to do the same thing - open a resturant / bar with no permits, a hand written lease, paying no rent and not geting proper zoning we would be locked up, shut down and fined out the wazoo.

I guess it pays to be big and powerfull.

Jocelyn: AI lives nowhere near 300 East so should ...

2007-01-21T09:35:00.000-05:00

Jocelyn: AI lives nowhere near 300 East so should he delete his posting here?

Thank you Jocelyn Whatshername for the above anonymous comment. Of course, folk should know deadbeat Jocelyn is a renter who moves frequently - she doesnt pay rent and gets sued but doesnt pay. She has quite a few unpaid judgments against her (isnt CivicNet great?). Most people know poor Jocelyn as the perennial candidate who always comes in last...

She now haunts the Internet under a variety of fake names trying to smear and slander successful and respected people. She is well known as a classical hater & nutcase in local politics. A tragic figure with no eyebrows but an incessant mouth...

Wrong Again:Atty. Darla Williams is a resident and...

2007-01-21T08:46:00.000-05:00

Wrong Again:

Atty. Darla Williams is a resident and property owner in Mapleton Fall Creek. You, Wilson are meddling and don't have a vote in this matter. Only the area residents and property owners have the right to address this issue. Mr. Leonard is the former president of Mapleton Fall Creek Neighborhood Association.

Butt out! Call Wilson Allen, 638-3435, he lives 1146 Tecumseh Street, 46201 in (Ward 2 Precinct 1) a poor run down neighborhood on the east side of Center Township across 10th Street. Maybe he needs to spend more time monitoring the progress in the neighborhood where he lives.

The zip code for Mapleton Fall Creek is 46205. If you don't have this zip code be silent.

From the beginning,Carl Drummer used Julia Carson's house to run for trustee when he lived in Lawrence Township in 1996. Kip Tew, the Democrat Party County chair looked the other way.
Atty. Judy Conley, DMD hearing officer is the wife of Kin ro Conley, majority leader of the City-county Council. Atty. Lacy Johnson is over the Airport Authority for Mayor Bart Peterson, and Patzy Trice, one of the investors work at the airport
Council President Monroe Gray's wife is an investor in this bar.
Van Barteau is the man in Judge Barbara Collins' life. Belle Choate is the wife of Sarge Visher, Julia Carson chief of staff. Even though she made a statement about the bar. She condones it while the others take the blame. Julia Lies just like Bart Peterson has lied to the police.

AI, is there any way you can ban both Wilson and I...

2007-01-21T04:34:00.000-05:00

AI, is there any way you can ban both Wilson and Indyernie from posting here, so they can take their irrevelant bickering elsewhere?

David Leonards lives about a mile north of 300 Eas...

2007-01-21T04:10:00.000-05:00

David Leonards lives about a mile north of 300 East - he's also a Republican activist who was a State Convention Delegate in 2004. It was the immediate neighbors in the blocks right around 300 East that voted 5-to-1 for Trustee Drummer in their precinct. There were no remonstrators whatsoever from close to 300 East. Very telling and significant to the Liquor Board!