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Why is the suicide of a police officer such big ne...

2011-05-06T07:37:30.308-05:00

Why is the suicide of a police officer such big news? It is a tradgy when anyone committs this act, not just a police officer. The family (his parents) were not notified until later that evening of what had happened to their son, maybe that's why it wasn't on the news, if you call that news. The public know nothing about his life, that's as it should be. Please do not speculate on things you know nothing about. It only hurts his family.

Rather be clueless than using unsubstantiated, loo...

2011-01-28T13:30:28.148-05:00

Rather be clueless than using unsubstantiated, loosely tied together conspiracy theories (to include being a 9/11 truther) to advocate impossibilities to support what amounts to nothing more than personal vendettas bordering on bigotry. I'd rather be clueless than angry, hateful, spiteful, stupid, and clueless...

Marco, you're clueless. The media is supposed ...

2011-01-27T17:12:45.569-05:00

Marco, you're clueless. The media is supposed to have all facts as soon as discovered to watch the cops do their job and to stand over their shoulders to ensure the cops aren't corrupt.

IMPD needs a lot of sunshine.

Cato, thank you for once again proving my point in...

2011-01-27T12:47:16.879-05:00

Cato, thank you for once again proving my point in the earlier thread. The public has a right to know quite a bit, but at the same time don't expect the city to shell out millions of dollars to have something done in 48 hours that normally takes weeks just so conspiracy theorists such as yourself can jump in feet-first a little earlier.

Given the circumstances surrounding the shooting o...

2011-01-26T19:47:45.305-05:00

Given the circumstances surrounding the shooting of IMPD officer David Moore, I should understand why this hasn't been reported locally. But I don't. An IMPD officer commits suicide Monday evening and 48 hours later this is nowhere to be found in any local news coverage--print, electronic or web.

Help me understand how and why the police department and local news media have the right to collude (apparently) and suppress this story. When a public safety employee discharges their weapon and someone is injured or killed, the public has a right to know the facts.

This was published in Gary, IN. Here's the news item from a Gary Topix news forum - http://www.topix.com/forum/city/gary-in/TPM73V1N8UT6IPQUH

You cops take the public's money, so you answe...

2011-01-26T19:11:08.911-05:00

You cops take the public's money, so you answer to the public. Make sure you're clear on this arrangement. You like to say you're police officers 24/7, when saying so is convenient for you. If you make such global statements, expect us to take you at your word and look at everything you do with an eye to public accountability.

If you IMPD sensitive souls want to curb conjecture, do two things, always:

1. Run a clean department, though it will take years to rebuild the public's trust.

2. Be open and forthcoming with all facts.

Lastly, you're cops. Act like you have a backbone. Simpering and sniveling when people take a public look at your activities makes you look corrupt and impotent in absence of a badge.

With the anti-First Amendment statements that are made here, I have to wonder what threats have been made against Indy's journalists to keep them silent and compliant.

Cato, you are a sad embittered troll..a contemptib...

2011-01-26T18:03:19.988-05:00

Cato, you are a sad embittered troll..a contemptible coward who posts screeching rants behind a cloak of anonymity.

However, it is your right. I did read a post of yours that was amusing: "Police Officer think they are better than us."

Thats' not true as a collective belief, However, in your case, it most certainly is.

~ Mike Hegg

Cato get a life!!!! I knew both of the officers a...

2011-01-26T16:40:55.055-05:00

Cato get a life!!!! I knew both of the officers and there is no connection between the two. Neither of those cops were corrupt. As far as the suicide it is none of your dam business why he choose to take his life. The families are dealing with enough pain and wondering why in both cases. They don’t need ass holes like you placing blaming or pointing fingers. Get a life!! My thoughts and prayers go out to both families they were good men.

Cato, are you a producer for Jesse Ventura's &...

2011-01-26T14:22:41.789-05:00

Cato, are you a producer for Jesse Ventura's 'Conspiracy Theory'?....You suggested that the corrections officer did not put a hold on Hardy in the event that an officer might have pulled Hardy over in a stolen car?
You cry for journalism but do not do your homework! On "pro-active stops"- A pro active stop is anything a cop does that he is not dispatched to from a 911 call! Most traffic stops are pro active stops.
You said that most IMPD's traffic stops are not done on side streets, can you give the source on that statistic?
Maybe you should go to bed so you are fresh for tonights episode of 'Coast to Coast'

From your profile CATO... "3. If what you...

2011-01-26T12:40:42.030-05:00

From your profile CATO...

"3. If what you're doing neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg, it's none of my business."

Please be consistent. And stop watching Jesse Ventura.

IndyCAD, I don't trust the people tasked with ...

2011-01-26T11:48:01.787-05:00

IndyCAD, I don't trust the people tasked with investigating to get to the bottom of police corruption.

When a cop shoots himself, the people need to know why.

If he had family problems, we need to know what counseling the department failed to provide. If he was depressed, we need to know the department's psychological evaluation procedures to be assured that other depressed officers are not on the streets with guns. If he was mixed up with some bad people, we need to know that.

Any time a cop does something wrong with a gun, the public needs to know. Don't like it, don't take the job.

I flatly disagree, AI. I want the press to run wit...

2011-01-26T11:39:39.635-05:00

I flatly disagree, AI. I want the press to run with every fact, immediately when it's discovered. Facts are facts. Get the facts out there. Hiding facts leads to speculation and rumor.

And I give the police only a little permission to work in secret, as freedom of the press is built on a healthy distrust of the government. After OmniSource, Bisard and other scandals, the police need to operate under all possible sunshine.

The Star is withholding the name of the suspended corrections officer. Did Moore know the corrections officer? Did Jason Jordan? Did anyone else? Was the corrections officer simply negligent, or did someone intervene on Hardy's behalf?

Get the facts and names out, so the street can tell us the truth.

Cato, Did you notice how many people Jared Loughne...

2011-01-26T09:02:17.643-05:00

Cato, Did you notice how many people Jared Loughner managed to shoot in a manner of seconds? He had a semi-automatic weapon, which Hardy more than likely had. There have been no reported eye witnesses; only people who heard the shots. By one account, someone heard four rapid shots, a brief silence, then three more rapid shots. This was just Officer Moore's second day of working a day shift; he had worked a night shift before according to police. He was working alone. That area is one of the most dangerous areas for an officer to work. If investigations are done properly, police work vigorously to gather the evidence without providing every single detail as they are uncovered. You may recall there was concern Frank Straub had hampered the police investigation of that shooting last summer where there were multiple victims by disclosing information that may have caused potential witnesses to go silent. Let's give the police time to build their case before jumping to any wide speculation.

Cato, there is a different between wonder (curiosi...

2011-01-26T09:01:10.422-05:00

Cato, there is a different between wonder (curiosity), and public, morbid display of a private matter regarding death. There is nothing dense about that. We can find any number of dense reasons why someone would qualify for public attention. If through investigation, it is determined that a public connection exists, then the media may concern themselves with it. It is their responsibility to follow up. However, working for a government agency alone does not qualify, unless (again) there is a suspected link. It is simply poor decorum; but gutter manners are just expected (unfortunately) from some people.

Has anyone heard what caliber of bullet accounted ...

2011-01-26T08:19:29.728-05:00

Has anyone heard what caliber of bullet accounted for each shot that struck Moore?

Has anyone heard what caliber of gun was recovered from Hardy?

Perhaps my searching skills are poor, but I can't find these facts.

I'm also having a difficult time seeing how a single shooter goes from one in the chest to one in the hip to two in the head. Firefights have indiscriminate shooting. Two in the head from any distance other than point blank is very difficult. If the head shot came first, there wouldn't be follow-up shots, as Moore would have been down. If he was down when the shooter took a head shot, he would have died instantly.

My gut says at least two shooters. Unpracticed shooters at distance rarely get head-shot lucky.

The witness said there were several shots fired, at two volleys. If Moore was shot as he stood at the car window, there wouldn't have been many shots fired, at all. The facts, if they can be trusted, suggest out-of-the-car firing, with Moore being engaged at a distance away from the driver's window.

Did he order everyone out of the car, at which point, the shooter(s) engaged?

Just for thoroughness, is anyone looking to see if Moore and Jason Jordan ever served with one another or if either appears on the other's phone records? Is anyone looking at Moore's duty logs to see if he was regularly assigned to that part of town?

Does the Star do any real reporting?

Gary, the local media takes its orders from the sa...

2011-01-25T22:21:48.980-05:00

Gary, the local media takes its orders from the sacred cows it refuses to cover in proper journalistic fashion.

I just heard the SOTU. Obama said, more of less, "some people live in a country where the central government can order the press not to cover a story." Immediately, I yelled at me tv: "INDIANAPOLIS!" Indiana is an incipient authoritarian state, and the conservatives here wouldn't have it any other way.

These people consider it patriotic duty for the press to cover stories in a prescribed manner to advance a message, or not at all, as the message requires.

I'm a bit surprise there has been no reporting...

2011-01-25T21:54:39.115-05:00

I'm a bit surprise there has been no reporting on it in the media beyond the yanked WISH-TV online story. I know there have been police officers who have committed suicide in the past because I heard it from reports in the local news media. I checked with a TV news reporter on this suicide this morning, who confirmed it happened. I don't know why that reporter or others are not covering it. Heck, they report on soldiers committing suicide all the time. Ed Coleman related the tragic suicide death of his brother at the city council meeting last night. You mention the Joe Miller case, Cato. The local media completely refused to report on the circumstances surrounding his death. There has still not been a public confirmation of his cause of death, let alone why the government raided his business and closed it down.

IndyCAD, are you really so dense as to think that ...

2011-01-25T21:28:17.132-05:00

IndyCAD, are you really so dense as to think that the public might not have any cause to wonder why a public employee killed himself?

Of course, not. You're simply erecting an opaque blue wall to shield certain people from inquiry.

This very blog has discussed, often at length, the suicides of Joe Miller, David Frisby, Philip Pagano, Christopher Kelly, Richard McIntyre, Michael Scott, Orlando Jones, Eric Johnson, Karl Rove's mother, the faked suicide of Dr. Thomas Hoshour, and the contemplated suicide of Gov. Dan Walker.

Police are not entitled to preferential treatment by or the inattention and deference of the press.

It's a shame you need to be told this.

If an officer commits suicide, it is not the busin...

2011-01-25T17:11:20.632-05:00

If an officer commits suicide, it is not the business of anyone- especially conspiratorial nut jobs. If it happened on duty (it did not) then that is a different story.

But to sensationalize and stupidly demand transparency into the personal-not professional or public- but private life of a police officer is sinister in itself.

I mean just imagine if a stranger took the time to glean property records on someone who commits suicide only to sensationalize it on a blog. I am sure glad human beings are above such demented activities.

Folks, if you have problems talk with someone. Get help! Everything can be fixed, except suicide.

P.S. Don't call CATO-it might end up on a 465 billboard.

Hey CATO, the aliens are calling you.

2011-01-25T16:24:01.955-05:00

Hey CATO, the aliens are calling you.

A media source tells me a police officer in the no...

2011-01-25T11:55:31.232-05:00

A media source tells me a police officer in the north district did take his life yesterday.

The 911 Log shows the address of the shooting as 1...

2011-01-25T11:28:44.796-05:00

The 911 Log shows the address of the shooting as 12467 Bent Oak Trail.

http://i.imgur.com/3brEH.jpg

Records show that house is owned by a Jason A. Jordan.

https://www.biz.indygov.org/treasurer/property/reportOptions.aspx?sn=a6a841decb7245069094d326b47a14e4&styp=addr&prcl=4037235

Records also reveal that there is an IMPD officer named Jason Jordan who lives in the Crystal Pointe section of Lawrence. Bent Tree Lane is also called Crystal Pointe Circle.

http://crystalpointe.org/story.php?id=113

IMPD Officer Jason Jordan is apparently a former deputy in the Marion County Sheriff's Department, presumably becoming an IMPD officer through the merger of the Sheriff and IPD.

http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/05150801lmb.pdf

"A police spokesman indicated Moore was worki...

2011-01-25T10:42:52.355-05:00

"A police spokesman indicated Moore was working on proactive stops as part of stepped up enforcement in problem areas."

What does that mean? What is a "proactive stop?" Sounds like a stop in absence of either probable cause or observation of a violation.

Does IMPD have a manual on proactive stops? Does IMPD have a policy on proactive stops? Has IMPD ever admitted proactive stops to defense counsel or a court?

What training did Moore receive on proactive stops? How many officers are assigned to proactive stops? How many proactive stops had Moore completed? Why are "proactive stops...in problem areas" conducted with only one officer in the car?

Why is no journalism being done on these basic questions?

If Obama threw out a skeletal answer, he'd have every allegation researched by the press back to the Magna Carta, and he'd be vilified if he was in error in any detail. In Indianapolis, police statements become the official news, and no further journalism is performed.

FOP President William Owensby was interviewed abou...

2011-01-25T10:27:43.735-05:00

FOP President William Owensby was interviewed about the dash cam issue. He noted there wasn't enough money in the budget to fund cameras for every car so only selected cars are furnished with cams--presumably those primarily doing traffic stops. A police spokesman indicated Moore was working on proactive stops as part of stepped up enforcement in problem areas.

Yep, it's a suicide. WISH won't run it bec...

2011-01-25T10:26:39.929-05:00

Yep, it's a suicide. WISH won't run it because it's their policy not to publish suicides.

I have read numerous stories of police suicides, but not in Indianapolis! Here, the news is selectively reported.

This policy of suppressing the news denies the public any means of putting two and two together and making any connections between the death and the reasons for it.

Was it a suicide or something more sinister? We'll never know. Indianapolis' Ministry of Truth drops our news down a memory hole.

Your blog is widely read. Let's hope this exerts pressure on them to restore the original story.

Kudos to Downtown Indy for having a keen eye.