Comments on Advance Indiana™: New York Times Renews Issue Of McCain's Eligibility

ray, I have made no posts on any blog called Strat...

2008-07-14T19:29:00.000-05:00

ray, I have made no posts on any blog called Strata. I don't know what you're talking about.

Advance Indiana, I see from your messages on Strat...

2008-07-14T17:40:00.000-05:00

Advance Indiana, I see from your messages on Strata's blog that you are still unsure about the authenticity of the Obama certificate. The easy way to find out is to ask one of the experts to DO themselves what they have imagined some forger did, with DIFFERENT text. They will not be able to without leaving tell-tale marks.

Advance Indiana wrote: It's not the same as Oba...

2008-07-14T13:02:00.000-05:00

Advance Indiana wrote:

It's not the same as Obama's certificate, which is notably missing a registrar's signature and a raised seal certifying to its authenticity.

But it HAS got a seal and certification showing through. The seal is above the reversed date (6th June 2007) and the certification is below and running into the border.

Incidentally, I joined Strata's blog but the password was not emailed. Could you please mention it on his blog in case there's a button he needs to press?

It's not the same as Obama's certificate, which is...

2008-07-14T10:46:00.000-05:00

It's not the same as Obama's certificate, which is notably missing a registrar's signature and a raised seal certifying to its authenticity.

Advance Indiana wrote: It looks like a xeroxed ...

2008-07-14T05:03:00.000-05:00

Advance Indiana wrote:

It looks like a xeroxed copy of a certificate of birth issued in 1980as opposed to a scanned version the Obama certificate purports to be. It's difficult to ascertain its authenticity without seeing the original, or at least a good scanned version of it.

Yes, that was the typical quality of photocopies in 1980. The much older "photostats" (which were negative images) were actually much clearer but they didn't handle continuous tone images very well at all.

The authenticity of McCain's certificate is not an issue because no one on the planet is contesting the purported facts contained in it.

It's the same with Obama's certificate -- no one has presented the slightest bit of evidence that suggests he was not born in Hawaii in August 1961.

It looks like a xeroxed copy of a certificate of b...

2008-07-13T18:49:00.000-05:00

It looks like a xeroxed copy of a certificate of birth issued in 1980as opposed to a scanned version the Obama certificate purports to be. It's difficult to ascertain its authenticity without seeing the original, or at least a good scanned version of it.

Here we go - McCain's certtificate:Dallas News:htt...

2008-07-13T17:47:00.000-05:00

Here we go - McCain's certtificate:
Dallas News:
http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/06/mccains-citizen.html

Here's a 1963 REAL birth certificate from Hawaiiht...

2008-07-13T17:25:00.000-05:00

Here's a 1963 REAL birth certificate from Hawaii
http://snarkybytes.com/?p=521

Advance Indiana wrote: Provide a link where thi...

2008-07-13T17:15:00.000-05:00

Advance Indiana wrote:

Provide a link where this so-called birth certificate exists, Ray.

It's not a 'so called birth certificate' -- it's the real thing - just like Obama's certificate is the real thing, i.e. a certified copy.

I'll have to look for it on the web but I have a note here that says it was issued on 26th March 1980 and it's number is 170027. It's also written in 2 languages - English and perhaps Spanish?

Provide a link where this so-called birth certific...

2008-07-13T17:10:00.000-05:00

Provide a link where this so-called birth certificate exists, Ray.

Advance Indiana wrote: The only birth certifica...

2008-07-13T14:34:00.000-05:00

Advance Indiana wrote:

The only birth certificate I've seen anyone post for John McCain on the Internet was the fake one an Obama blogger posted making it appear it was on tattered parchmant. McCain produced the original for reporters to look at. That one has not been posted on the Internet to my knowledge.

The McCain birth record on the net that I was referring to was a reproduction of a photocopy - not a joke birth record.

The only birth certificate I've seen anyone post f...

2008-07-13T14:09:00.000-05:00

The only birth certificate I've seen anyone post for John McCain on the Internet was the fake one an Obama blogger posted making it appear it was on tattered parchmant. McCain produced the original for reporters to look at. That one has not been posted on the Internet to my knowledge.

Obama's mother had the money to fly to the states when he was 3-weeks old. Airplane travel was quite expensive in those days.

And I challenge you to produce any evidence of what grandma has said on this particular topic. You won't find it.

artfuggins wrote: Here we go again!! The fake O...

2008-07-13T14:08:00.000-05:00

artfuggins wrote:

Here we go again!! The fake Obama birth certificate story. Perhaps the mainstream media have not picked it up because it is so inane.

The mainstream media is filled with real graphics experts who (like myself) know that you cannot take a blank birth record from Hawaii and change the details without leaving tell-tale signs of it.

If any alleged forgery existed on the net, someone would have been able to mark many of flawed spots with red arrows where the alterations had been made, and they could do it to the VERY PIXEL

Advance Indiana swrote:John McCain allowed reporte...

2008-07-13T13:45:00.000-05:00

Advance Indiana swrote:

John McCain allowed reporters to look at his original birth certificate.

Do you realise that the image of McCain's birth record on the net is the same type of document as Obama's - but a lower grade black and white version?

Advance Indiana wrote: As for grandma, she has ...

2008-07-13T13:35:00.000-05:00

Advance Indiana wrote:

As for grandma, she has not been allowed to speak one word during this campaign. Don't attribute anything to her.

Obama's grandmother had a lot to say before the campaign - which is one more reason why the media is not carrying this story about a fake birth record.

They also know how it was impossible for a student who barely had enough to live on, could afford four extremely expensive air fares to and from Kenya to have a baby - like about $20,000 in today's money.

Advance Indiana wrote:Ray said, "If people refuse ...

2008-07-13T13:31:00.000-05:00

Advance Indiana wrote:

Ray said, "If people refuse to accept the official record of Obama's birth that has already been issued by the Hawaii Health Department - what DO you consider decent evidence - something signed by NASA or the CEO of Disney productions or what?"

You just don't get it, Ray. There is no official document issued by the Hawaii Dept. Of Health as you profess. Even the person who posted the birth certificate on Daily Kos now admits it was a fake.

I'm afraid you are the one who is dead wrong. I know that you keep saying it over and over and over, bur Jay did NOT forge anything. In reality he made a joke document from the REAL one. He took KOS's jpeg of the official document and covered up the text (which any fool can do in a few minutes) and he placed a joke name on the blank document that indicated clearly that HIS document was a joke forgey.
See strata's blog:
http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5652

As for grandma, she has not been allowed to speak ...

2008-07-13T13:07:00.000-05:00

As for grandma, she has not been allowed to speak one word during this campaign. Don't attribute anything to her.

Ray said, "If people refuse to accept the official...

2008-07-13T13:01:00.000-05:00

Ray said, "If people refuse to accept the official record of Obama's birth that has already been issued by the Hawaii Health Department - what DO you consider decent evidence - something signed by NASA or the CEO of Disney productions or what?"

You just don't get it, Ray. There is no official document issued by the Hawaii Dept. Of Health as you profess. Even the person who posted the birth certificate on Daily Kos now admits it was a fake. John McCain allowed reporters to look at his original birth certificate. Why won't Obama do the same? Why is half the material in his book, Dreams of My Father, made up? Why does this man have so much trouble telling the truth about his life?

Advance Indiana wrote:"Ray, Can you proof document...

2008-07-13T12:50:00.000-05:00

Advance Indiana wrote:

"Ray, Can you proof documentary evidence to back up your claim?

If people refuse to accept the official record of Obama's birth that has already been issued by the Hawaii Health Department - what DO you consider decent evidence - something signed by NASA or the CEO of Disney productions or what?

There seems to be little point in providing evidence to those who refuse to treat it seriously.

What about images of some of the official divorce records - would they allow you to join the dots and see that Obama's parents were married in Hawaii?

What about images of the documents held by the scholarship providers - Sidney Poitier and Harry Bellafonte etc., who brought Obama senior and others into the U.S. to study in 1959, and who knew if he suddenly ducked back to Kenya (at massive cost) with a passport-less wife to have a baby and got someone to cover for them at University at the same time?

What about statements by Ann Dunham's friends and Obama's grandmother or other official U.S. records about Obama's birth place? Let me know what you consider adequate evidence.

Even Obama says in Dreams of My Father the issue of his parents' marriage was too murky for him to inquire further into. Remember, he had a wife back in Kenya so he couldn't legally marry Obama's mother"

Obama senior may have had a legal wife in Kenya, and he may have committed bigamy under U.S. law, which would explain why Senator Obama doesn't want to look further.

I wonder if this issue is going to heat up as much...

2008-07-13T10:49:00.000-05:00

I wonder if this issue is going to heat up as much as the Larry Sinclair story did.

No reliable evidence has been produced to prove bi...

2008-07-13T10:42:00.000-05:00

No reliable evidence has been produced to prove birth in the U.S. If he wasn't born in the US, it's quite possible he isn't a natural born citizen because of the age of his mother at the time of his birth and her failure to live long enough in the US at the time of his birth after she reached the statutory age, which at that time was 16. Also, his mother married an Indonesian and moved there with Barack. It is not known whether she acquired citizenship status there for herself and Barack. If she did, it could have the affect of nullifying his U.S. citizenship.

Look, in order for anyone to file a suit, they hav...

2008-07-13T10:24:00.000-05:00

Look, in order for anyone to file a suit, they have to show the court that they were damaged in some way. You and I can't do that. The only one that has any standing in a court case is Barack Obama. (Lets say, if he loses the election). But Obama is never -- and I mean, never -- going to do that.
So the issues is -- moot!

If as a single mother, [since you claim that they ...

2008-07-13T09:07:00.000-05:00

If as a single mother, [since you claim that they weren't married because he had a wife in Kenya] Obama's mother gave birth to him in Hawaii then wouldn't that alone make him a U.S. citizen.

Ray, Can you proof documentary evidence to back up...

2008-07-13T07:53:00.000-05:00

Ray, Can you proof documentary evidence to back up your claim? Even Obama says in Dreams of My Father the issue of his parents' marriage was too murky for him to inquire further into. Remember, he had a wife back in Kenya so he couldn't legally marry Obama's mother.

Obama's parents were married at Maui, Hawaii on 2n...

2008-07-13T04:33:00.000-05:00

Obama's parents were married at Maui, Hawaii on 2nd Feb, 1961 in a low profile wedding. His mother filed for divorce in Honolulu in Jan 1964 and his father signed for the divorce papers at Cambridge, Mass. shortly afterwards.