tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post208539772757449652..comments2020-04-11T03:30:02.282-05:00Gary R. Welshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-17739521997889994362008-02-19T16:51:00.000-05:002008-02-19T16:51:00.000-05:00Another way to look at the Mahern camp and the Sullivan camp - is that the Sullivan team won and y'all lost. <BR/><BR/>I didn't have a horse in that fight, but it was incredible to see Sullivan's campaign team. Real professional, young and old, black and white. <BR/><BR/>Quit your crying folks, it's a new day in Marion County. I'm a long time PC (not in that district) and have a lot of friends that are too- none of us were offended at all about the new blood for Sullivan, we were excited. It's funny that we're still talking about, Mary Anne sure did it right, didn't she?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-40809183218357514462008-02-18T22:33:00.000-05:002008-02-18T22:33:00.000-05:00Sullivan's appointment were such classic stiffs that they don't even know what the term means. As has been already said but bears repeating, the johnny-come-lately Sullivan stiffs are an insult to the real committeemen. And believe you me it did not go unnoticed by the party faithful. I even heard some of the Sullivan family members stiff have never even voted in a Primary Election. Seesh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-75802136406680328682008-02-18T19:33:00.000-05:002008-02-18T19:33:00.000-05:00In protest to the "stiffing" done by the county chair -- both for Sullivan AND for the contested judges races -- which was a total insult to the Real precinct committeepeople who work their tail ends off in their precincts, the REAL precinct committeepeople should boycott the primary and let the stiffs run the precincts for a change. It really won't have any effect on the results -- since it's a primary -- and maybe it will teach the county committee a lesson about respect.Susie Q Publichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17157109301278485362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-44870725251702322302008-02-18T14:31:00.000-05:002008-02-18T14:31:00.000-05:00One of the differences between the Mahern's who were on the voting rolls and the Sullivan backing appointees is that every Mahern who had a vote has been deeply involved in Democratic politics for years. Many of the Sullivan were claasic stiffs in that they have never been involved in the party and probably never will be again.<BR/> No one should be allowed a vote in the slating process who has not been a committee person since before the last elction and has at least worked the polls one time. <BR/> I would not fault Dane for staying in the race, though despite what some have said in this thread, I have heard nothing from Dane indicating that he will.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-6031976171427915762008-02-17T20:15:00.000-05:002008-02-17T20:15:00.000-05:00I started strongly opposed to Carson because I felt a congressional seat shouldn't be a family heirloom, and if you took the names off the resumes of all the D candidates, his wouldn't be the one you'd select. Then I started thinking about what "experience" REALLY means for a member of Congress. That's when I concluded that being a city councillor or state representative or township board member do NOTHING to give you experience in Congress, which has different issues, procedures, and personalities. I'd take someone who sat on a Congress member's hip for even five years over someone with 40 years of actually voting in the Indiana General Assembly in a heartbeat. Ask yourself this question: among the Democratic field, who will be mostly likely to have the Congressional Black Caucus as a voting block to assist him/her in getting federal assistance for Indianapolis? Who will be most warmly embraced by the sitting members of Congress (including even DAN BURTON!)? The people who hated Julia Carson may never understand this (heck, I don't because I thought she was rather passive), but she was well-regarded in D.C., and people will go out of their way to help her nephew. I've met the man at a few functions (I've also met Elrod several times as well, and his "lack of experience" is no fault either). Andre is compassionate and caring, which makes him like Julia, and (refreshingly) he never assumes he has all the answers. This is a guy who is interested in digesting the collective thoughts of those he seeks to serve, not one who wishes to impose HIS agenda on them without regard to THEIR wishes. In other words, I think having that humility outweighs "experience." If what critics are really saying is that he isn't intelligent enough to digest whether what he is hearing is legitimate or poppycock, that's a separate concern. But experience - meaning a term of years doing a particular job - is meaningless. If he'd taught for 20years, he'd know education, not healthcare, foreign policy, or social security. If he was a soldier, he'd know the military, not environmental policy. Nobody is going to know it all. What he/she must do is be a prudent filter - take a lot of information, some valuable and some garbage, and make it reflect as purely as possible the collective sentiments of the district. Based on what I've seen, Andre Carson can do that.POPAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00558836541249077077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-55855104489992730742008-02-17T17:55:00.001-05:002008-02-17T17:55:00.001-05:00Nice try, 3:57.<BR/><BR/>You give Treacy credit for Mayor Peterson's wins, including the council, and then dump the 07 loss on Mike O'Connor? I like that spin. Mike might have had something to do with those other wins. Frankly I don't think either of them are stellar, but you can't dump it just on O'Connor. Who was county chair when Ackles, White, etc. were elected?<BR/><BR/>Sullivan won fair and square. You can't have it both ways - appoint your cronies for two decades then complain when a couple Sullivan family members get appointed (by ward chairs, not the chairman). There were plenty of longtime precinct people who supported Sullivan over Dane. The fact is, Sullivan is a better candidate by far - and now she's the slated candidate. Party people support the slate, regardless. Do the right thing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-8410998986372006492008-02-17T17:55:00.000-05:002008-02-17T17:55:00.000-05:003:57 assigns a lot of dignity and brains to Dane Mahern.<BR/><BR/>Not many folks would agree.<BR/><BR/>At yesterday's slating convention, there were 11 Maherns on the sign-in sheet. I am not aware that any were outside his district, but that could be.<BR/><BR/>I overheard many committeemen grumbling about Dane. Evidently his council constituent services leaves a little to be desired.<BR/><BR/>Being a councilman isn't easy. Citizens make outrageous demands and covet your time. <BR/><BR/>But Dane had best tend to that for awhile. <BR/><BR/>And for the record, what Louie Mahern did to the library is a travesty. And I'd say that regardless who they hired as their CEO--I couldn't care less.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-54614665471053649232008-02-17T17:51:00.000-05:002008-02-17T17:51:00.000-05:00Was Dane right in the Demo council caucus when the vote for council president was tied 7 to 7 and he cast the tie breaking for for Monroe Gray...that certainly helped us lose the mayor's office and the majority on the council..those votes come back to bite us in the behind sometimes...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-49659895175321496292008-02-17T15:57:00.000-05:002008-02-17T15:57:00.000-05:00O'Connor or Treacy there is no comparison. Ed T. won election after election he turns things over to O'Connor and he looses the council and Peterson blows a 40 point lead. O'Connor was the country chairman and campaign manager for the Mayors campaign. How did O'Connor advise the Mayor on the 65% income tax increase put into place the month before the election? O'Connor has spent a whole lot of time trying to get back at Dane Mahern because he stood up to the mayor and voted no on the tax increase. The Mayor make a major mistake by pushing the increase it cost him the election. Now the former mayor and O'Connor are going after Dane because he was right and got re-elected.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-64863495449450583372008-02-17T14:35:00.000-05:002008-02-17T14:35:00.000-05:0011:51, that's pretty darn close to the truth. And, after a few years of practice, she's still a little less than mediocre.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-37083070916039865822008-02-17T14:33:00.000-05:002008-02-17T14:33:00.000-05:00There were only 5 Mahern's that were on the list for disctrict 97. There are 6 other Mahern's who are committepersons outside of District 97. All 11 Maherns were committeemen for last years election. There were 5 Sullivan's on the list none have been committemen before this year. Two had never bothered to vote in a primary.<BR/>O'Connor did all of the apointments most ward chairs were not told about Sullivan people who were added in their wards. If the slate falls apart in would be the fault of County Chairman.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-24633866916447834852008-02-17T12:43:00.000-05:002008-02-17T12:43:00.000-05:00Sullivan had no appointments to precinct vacancies.....that job belongs to the Ward Chairs and the County Chairman. It is a fact that every vacancy request that the Maherns submitted were honored. They lost fair and square and if the want to throw the slate in jeopardy including the judges then that will rest on their shoulders. I think last year's slated candidate who won, Brian Mahern, should have a conversation with his relatives. That same slating process slated Dane Mahern for city council.......HmmmmmmmmmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-85198583252771721262008-02-17T11:51:00.000-05:002008-02-17T11:51:00.000-05:0010:39 are you serious? She was listed as "not qualified" by the bar.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-40279618668547087692008-02-17T11:50:00.000-05:002008-02-17T11:50:00.000-05:0010:39, forgive us...we made an assumption that the story was well-travelled. Apologies.<BR/><BR/>Treacy presided over the slating convention which nominated his wife. Shortly afterward he made peace with the Republican chair, and they collectively hoodwinked the legislature into a new scheme to elect judges. As a payoff, each county chair got to appoint a new court's judge. It was highway robbery. County chairmen naming a judicial officer? It was nuts.<BR/><BR/>At the slating convention over which he presided, Ed Treacy stood behind the lines and near the machines when counts were announced. It took forever to get the machine totals calculated and turned in. He had already filled the voting slots with multiple stiffs, but that's nothing new.<BR/><BR/>If you talk to the delegates at that convention, many will tell you there's no way Mrs. Treacy got as many votes as were reported. No way in hell.<BR/><BR/>But, when your husband is supervising the "counting," anything can happen.<BR/><BR/>And we now have one more mediocre judge. And the Treacy home now has a state pension.<BR/><BR/>Thus endeth the theft story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-55520073444611571422008-02-17T10:39:00.000-05:002008-02-17T10:39:00.000-05:00How did Treacy fix the slating convention for his wife?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-73656762513214733872008-02-17T10:23:00.000-05:002008-02-17T10:23:00.000-05:00On Friday I saw one of those billboard trucks that carries ads on the back of it. This one was advertising the chiropractic practice of Kenneth Ackles, D.C. <BR/><BR/>The fact that the truck was parked at the 38th and Capitol pea-shake house was pretty amusing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-3968518798709398472008-02-17T10:05:00.000-05:002008-02-17T10:05:00.000-05:00When Ed Treacy fixed the slating convention for his wife, his two primary assistants were Ed and Louis Mahern. What happened to Dane was karma, pur and simple.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-60522690977473627952008-02-17T09:48:00.000-05:002008-02-17T09:48:00.000-05:00My two cents on the Mahern - Sullivan race.<BR/><BR/>-11 of the 90 votes apparently were Mahern family members. They are complaining about stacking the vote?<BR/><BR/>-Ed controlled that district for years and it seems did not do the basic party building work, such as filling vacancies in precincts. Which is one reason why he lost. The Maherns now can't complain that vacancies were not filled with their cronies.<BR/><BR/>-People are upset with Dane for running for the Statehouse right after he was reelected to the Council. <BR/><BR/>-People are wholly unimpressed with Dane.<BR/><BR/>-Dane had no organization - that was reflected in the "Mahern for Statehouse" sign he had at slating that was "paid for by the Ed Mahern for House committee".<BR/><BR/>-People think Dane will just become a lobbyist like his dad and family.<BR/><BR/>-People are upset about the library fiasco and Louie Mahern's involvement.<BR/><BR/>-Sullivan is a hardworking candidate who offers ideas about the future. She and her family have supported Democratic candidates for years. <BR/><BR/>-Sullivan reached out to the precinctpeople with letters, calls, meetings, etc. She even reached out to "Mahern" people. She was organized, with T-shirts, literature, website, etc. She was endorsed by Bart Peterson.<BR/><BR/>-The Maherns may not like the way this went down. But if Dane runs against the slate you're going to see a lot of Democrats in the county very very upset, including all the judge candidates. It will come back and bite the Maherns in the long run, especially Brian, who actually has a lot of people's respect. Suck it up and wait for another day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-26191550774333019532008-02-17T07:12:00.000-05:002008-02-17T07:12:00.000-05:00anonymous..... if the only reason you will vote for andre carson is to silence someone whose mouth overloads the rest of himself on a blog, then your patriotism and interest in good government is lost here...... may i suggest a good showing of bugs bunny?MissouriDemocrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12601903002852569236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-16767414861809762052008-02-17T05:48:00.000-05:002008-02-17T05:48:00.000-05:00For the record: I am not an official spokesperson for the André Carson for Congress campaign -- I'm merely an enthusiastic supporter...<BR/><BR/><BR/>I supported Bart Peterson in the last election, but I didn't follow him around with a camera and worshipping every word he said as gospel truth. He is not a perfect person, neither is Andre` carson.<BR/>The only reason I will vote against Andre` is so Wilson will be silencedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-11092524056335842292008-02-17T00:46:00.000-05:002008-02-17T00:46:00.000-05:00If I were the incumbent judges, I would be worried that their campaign manager is going to try and dump the slate for Mahern which could result in one or more of his slated judges losing....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-84479844814612144962008-02-17T00:15:00.000-05:002008-02-17T00:15:00.000-05:00Sullivan had over 40 appointments. The 15 is the number who had never voted in a primary election.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-28953352728769105532008-02-16T23:45:00.000-05:002008-02-16T23:45:00.000-05:0015 New committeepersons???? Wow. Are you kidding me? Cry me a river- if that's all Sullivan got, and she still won, then the woman should run for Mayor. <BR/><BR/>Think of this way, if Mahern (stupidly) runs in May, he'll be 1-2 since last November. <BR/><BR/>I can think of at least one Ed that won't let that happen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-28431559263041918162008-02-16T21:41:00.000-05:002008-02-16T21:41:00.000-05:00The Democratic Party needs new leadership. Why is the same guy who presided over the loss of the Mayor's office and the Council, still head of the party?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-82855685224050811462008-02-16T21:13:00.000-05:002008-02-16T21:13:00.000-05:00The Maherns shouldn't complain....besides tons of relatives added to the list...many of Ed Mahern's business associates were added also.....Dane still lost....several people told me that they committed to Dane in slating but if he lost slating that they would NOT cut the slate for him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com