Comments on Advance Indiana™: Tully Takes Another Crack At Ballard

And I don't recall anyone say that Bart Peterson I...

2007-09-08T17:23:00.000-05:00

And I don't recall anyone say that Bart Peterson IS NOT a decent family man.
I'm sure he is a great husband and excellent father. He is in a position to provide for his family what others cannot. He was in that position before becoming mayor.
I would not argue the fact that Peterson is a good family man, but he IS A LOUSY MAYOR

Anon 351, Why don't you check out IndyU for May ...

2007-09-08T14:29:00.000-05:00

Anon 351,
Why don't you check out IndyU for May of this year. There was an email that was released by the IMPD Personnel Office showing the department was down 120 officers. Mayor Peterson came out publicly and said they were only down 9. Now I don't claim to be a mathematician, but I do know that 9 is less than 120. That is fact not blognoise. If the mayor didn't lie on this one, then what do you call it, a misunderstanding? I guess it boils down to what your definition of "lie" is doesn't it? Kind of like a president who came out on national tv and said he didn't have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinski. One could say that he didn't lie because he said Ms. Lewinski, not Monica Lewinski. Now I don't want to go off into that arena but, I use it only for an example. I can think of a lot more examples reference our mayor, but I think this one is enough for now. The bottom line is that a lie is a lie, and failure to admit that you lied only digs you into a deeper hole.

I am so tired of people saying the Republican part...

2007-09-08T11:56:00.000-05:00

I am so tired of people saying the Republican party did not field a credible candidate. Greg Ballard is a credible candidate. You only need talk with him and listen for a short time to figure that out. The real problem with his campaign is that the people in his own party who could help him the most will not support him, either because they are already in bed with Peterson or because they didn't have the guts to run themselves and now won't help the person that did. Ballard's integrity and desire to improve the city rather than to think only of himself sets him apart from anyone else in the political machine. He truly wants to make a difference and make Indianapolis a better city. If he doesn't win in November, it won't be for lack of trying on his part. mam0206

Whether you agree witht he policies of Bart Peters...

2007-09-08T10:40:00.000-05:00

Whether you agree witht he policies of Bart Peterson or not, the name calling by some of the local pols are backfiring. Even votes who disagree with him, see him a decent family man. All of this "Bart Lies" and "Fart Peterson" turns off a lot of people. Use facts to express your disagreement but name calling and gutter talk only backfires.

not a 'lie', 'hypocrisy'. Woo, that's some high qu...

2007-09-08T09:29:00.000-05:00

not a 'lie', 'hypocrisy'.

Woo, that's some high quality spin-doctoring there.

I would say the whole speech he gave the first tim...

2007-09-08T09:20:00.000-05:00

I would say the whole speech he gave the first time around when he talked about city's avoiding the 'death spiral' of raising taxes could be considered by some to be a lie, but I think it's more hypocrisy.

He comes across sometimes as too much of an idiot to be able to outright lie, but come on. 200 more police officers without raising taxes? By soaking up housing, the park rangers, and whoever else he could get his hands on they were above 200 for about 5 minutes before attrition kicked in.

How about the ride along he did with the East District guy when he was campaigning and he said that if he were elected police would never have to work part time ever again? Don't forget the FOP endorsed him the first time he ran if I'm not mistaken. Gosh I wonder why they hate him so much now. Could it be... LIES?! People wonder why most of the cops in this city despise Peterson, it's because of all the hollow promises he's made over the years. Retro pay anyone? Not consolidating anyone? Updating the radio system anyone? Updating equipment anyone? Copter in the air 24 hours a day anyone? Hello? Just off the top of my head he's 0 for 5 so far.

You want to know where else Bart has lied? Watch ...

2007-09-08T07:02:00.000-05:00

You want to know where else Bart has lied? Watch his latest commercial where he says "WE" banded together to get the state to do reassessments. Liar! Mitch did it, Bart first said he 65% tax increase was to *help* with the property tax problem, THEN when the governor stepped in and said what he was going to do ALL OF A SUDDEN Bart says the money is going to be used for 100 new police. Bart DOES lie. Period. This guy has NO CLUE as to what the people are going through.

Tom John failed Ballard! Tom is NOT helping Ballar...

2007-09-07T20:19:00.000-05:00

Tom John failed Ballard!
Tom is NOT helping Ballard in any way!
Tom WANTS Bart to win.

First, Bart Peterson has gone door to door in lot...

2007-09-07T20:09:00.000-05:00

First, Bart Peterson has gone door to door in lots of neigbhorhoods...obviously no city candidate is going to EVERY door in the city so to conclude that since he hasnt been to your door that he isnt going door to door is lame. Secondly, it is not the job of the Star or any other media outlet to promote the candidacy of Ballard. It is up to his backers and his campaign treasury. I do think you are right in that Tom John failed to get a credible candidate and now it is too late.

and, yes, I know my typing sucks. I've been told s...

2007-09-07T20:00:00.000-05:00

and, yes, I know my typing sucks.
I've been told several times.
Maybe i should "drink and type" i might do better then.

OK, Anonymous721..Peterson Plan II, pg.5.Mass tran...

2007-09-07T19:58:00.000-05:00

OK, Anonymous721..
Peterson Plan II, pg.5.
Mass transit Plan of action..He knew it would never get anywhere.

pg.10.. where is all this "talent" Seems to be LEAVING our city, not coming to it.

Pg. 12.. our workforce is shrinking. All the jobs are leaving due to higher taxes.

pg. 16.. "superportal"??? Still have to jump through several internet hoops to find what is needed from the city.

pg. 17.. Bart has driven the small retail business out of business by his "tax and spend" philosophy.

pg.25.. "ensure youth ahve a strong voice in City Governmnet"
He doesn't even listen to the voters, why should he listen to those who are not old enough to vote?

pg. 27. affordablke housing??? In Indy? Where????

pg. 29.. end homelessness..
There are more homeless now than there was 8 years ago.

pg.34 reduce the number of abondoned houses. There are MORE now than 8 years ago.

pg. 38 Property Tax relief..
We all know where that went, don't we?

pg. 40 Make law enforcement more effective.. IMPD is a less effective department hat when we had 2 different departments. This was caused by the consolidation that he opposes on pg. 49.

pg. 52..Investigate Adopting an Emergency Telephone Notification System.. Where is this program at now??

pg. 54.. promote financial literacy... More forclosures than ever before.

pg. 57.. enhance quality of life for senoirs... Ask the senoirs in the Butler tarkington are about how successful that was.

pg. 59.. Indianapolis to be a healthier city... Indy ranks high on the "obesity" list.

pg. 63.. promote diversity and race relations. How many white people go to Black expo? Very Few. Know why? White people are not welcome there. Yet, straight people are welcome at the Gay Parade.

Thats only from Peterson Plan II.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt..
He actually PLANNED on all this happening, so he didn't lie.
He did FAIL..
So, I'll take back the Bart Lied statement if you'll state that Bart Fail us as a mayor.
If not, he knew all this was NOT true and intended to decieve the people in order to get elected.

BTW, you can e mail me
chuckwhitman@hotmail.com.
I have never told anyones identity and never will.
I understand the need for anonymity for some people, like cops and FFs.. many of them ave e mailed me, and even met with me, their names are still a secret.
I don't hide because i don't care if they know who i am.

Peterson KNEW consolidation would NOT save money!O...

2007-09-07T19:26:00.000-05:00

Peterson KNEW consolidation would NOT save money!
Other cities in this country proved that to him. Yet, he still insisted that it would.
Therefore he lied!

He knows he is lying, that is why he will NOT answer to the people in this city.
They want results, not lips service.

Gary: it's all about civility. Throwing around lo...

2007-09-07T19:21:00.000-05:00

Gary: it's all about civility. Throwing around loose adjectives like "liar" is irresponsible.

I read it. It's not a lie. I'm sure the Mayor and Sheriff wish the circumstances put forth in that document were still true. But they are not, and the consolidation came about as a result of the shifting landscape.

FYI, a lie, according to Dictionary.com, is:

"a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth."

What you cited is either an unfulfilled campaign objective, or a solid statement believed at the time, with no malice intended. If the Mayor deliberately put his belief in the document, knowing full-well he could not fulfill it, then, Gary, it becomes a lie.

Get familiar with the language before you throw around harmful words.

For instance, if I called you a filthy scumbag because we disagree, it'd be ridiculous. Our disagreement may be strong, but resorting to adjectives which don't accurately describe the situation, is not helpful.

Next "lie" ?

By the way, the reason for anonymous posting would floor you, but it is required, and no, I don't work for the mayor. Far from it. I do know him, and respect him. I also respect Mr. Ballard. I haven't heard either of them resort to the kind of ridiculous adjectives you use so loosely. They tend to stick to facts. Which leaves room for a civil disagreement, and is very much appreciated.

http://www.indygov.org/NR/rdonlyres/99573375-CC6C-...

2007-09-07T18:16:00.000-05:00

http://www.indygov.org/NR/rdonlyres/99573375-CC6C-4F60-BEE3-FFC9FFD5521E/0/PetersonPlanII.pdf

here's your link. anonymousissy.351..

Now, quit whining and crying ANONYMOUSLY about how unhappy you are with all the "crap".
BART LIES!!!!! and we can PROVE IT!!!!
Show yourself or shut your hole.
Even Wilson doesn't try to hide.
Standing up, openly, for what he believes, gives him credibility.
Why are you so scared?????

Post a link to ONE document posted on IndyU or Bar...

2007-09-07T17:21:00.000-05:00

Post a link to ONE document posted on IndyU or Bart Lies which demonstrates that the mayor lied. And by "lie," I don't mean something you disagree with. Use Webster's if you need the definition of lies.

He is not perfect. I disagree with his views often. But lies? Come on. You are losing credibility.

Post one document link. I'll be waiting.

Otherwise, it's just blognoise.

OK YOU ANONYMOS S.O.B.,WHO IS TOO F'ING CHICKEN TO POST A REAL NAME, I'LL SHOW YOU HIS LIES, IN HIS OWN PLAN.
READ PETERSON PLAN 2, PAGE 49.
He stated the he OPPESES consolidating IPD nad MCSD.
Then he does it, claiming it will save money.
He will also help cut property taxes.
Have you read any of his B.S. plans?
If you had, you'd see all the LIES that Bart tells.

Now, grow a set of manhood and show yourself, you bart-Boy!!!

THE MAYOR LIEDThe mayor said in a press conference...

2007-09-07T16:05:00.000-05:00

THE MAYOR LIED
The mayor said in a press conference (press release linked from city website) that I owned two illegal adult businesses.

The city attorney admitted to the press and to the judge that neither of my businesses were defined as "adult". That would constitute a lie. One that caused me great personal hardship and hardship on those closest to me.

At that point I knew I had a liar on my hands and that is when I started to investigate what else he lies about.

Read his campaign promises. How many did he pledge to do for us? How many did he keep?

OK, 1:43, I've had it with this crap:Post a link t...

2007-09-07T15:51:00.000-05:00

OK, 1:43, I've had it with this crap:

Post a link to ONE document posted on IndyU or Bart Lies which demonstrates that the mayor lied. And by "lie," I don't mean something you disagree with. Use Webster's if you need the definition of lies.

He is not perfect. I disagree with his views often. But lies? Come on. You are losing credibility.

Post one document link. I'll be waiting.

Otherwise, it's just blognoise.

Anon 1054, As I stated in my earlier post, your ...

2007-09-07T13:43:00.000-05:00

Anon 1054,
As I stated in my earlier post, your colors are easily seen in your posts. As someone who claims to be an avid reader of blogs and print if you digestedany of what you have read about our great mayor you would know that he's not been truthful. Mayor Peterson's arogant attitude and and his backdoor politics have created blogs like IndyU and BartLies. Both of those blogs have posted alot of credible documents that have shown the mayors ugly deeds. Then again most who want corruption in their government will shun that type of information.

Who reads what Tully writes? It's most certainly n...

2007-09-07T12:48:00.000-05:00

Who reads what Tully writes? It's most certainly not Johnny and Janie Lunchbucket. They don't read the rags, they watch TV and when they do watch TV they sure as hell don't watch CCC meetings on cable.

They do watch their paychecks, they also read their property tax bills and they sure as hell know when a crime has been committed in their neighborhood.

In the end Tully is a non-factor to most and only relevant to a diminishing few who still read a newspaper.

Johnny and Janie Lunchbucket will decide if they want Peterson to be their Mayor for another 4 years when they go to the polls in November. If they want a change, any change then they'll vote it. They will have made up their minds having never even heard of a guy named Tully.

The Governor's moratorium on paying the increased property tax was the greatest gift the Peterson campaign could have ever received. For the Lunchbuckets, they don't have to shell out their cash until after the election and they are happy for now. That even made their income tax increase taste better....for a short while.

In the end, Indianapolis voters will get the goverment it deserves.

Where is Matt Tully's wife employed? Maybe she ha...

2007-09-07T12:24:00.000-05:00

Where is Matt Tully's wife employed? Maybe she has one of those patronage jobs with the Democraps.

I like it that Peterson tools like Tully under-est...

2007-09-07T11:50:00.000-05:00

I like it that Peterson tools like Tully under-estimate Ballard. Tully is just one of the ass-kissers Peterson uses to insulate himself from the truth. That keeps Peterson thinking he's bullet-proof.

Remember Tully finally cracked on the truth about Julia Carson the day AFTER the election and look what an embarassment that woman has been to Indiana since she started this last term.

Tully is a tool. I don't take him seriously, even when he gets it right.

BrianHowey is a better political analyst and is far more respected.

Tully has gone to excessive lengths to protect the...

2007-09-07T10:56:00.000-05:00

Tully has gone to excessive lengths to protect the Democrat establishment here.

He roasted Bob Parker (though Bob brought it upon himself) even before anything happened.

Now he's sabotaging the Ballard campaign. He sabotaged the Dickerson campaign and only afterwards admitted that Julia Carson isn't up to snuff.

I detest the whole "Bart Lies" thing, but that las...

2007-09-07T10:54:00.000-05:00

I detest the whole "Bart Lies" thing, but that last post was funny. One porch, one door...a glaringly accurate review of Tully's nonsense.

Matt Tully is a lazy, arrogant columnist. I can tell most of his columns are not researched, but rather, random rantings about whatever pisses him off at the moment. Kinda like IndyU.

Columnists tend to write about their personal bias. It's natural. I don't mind, if it's disclsoed, fairly evident or balanced with opposing views once in a while. For instance, I rarely expect George Will and I to agree. But his writings make me think.

As for the paper's editorial leaning, I'd call it middle-of-the-road. Their advocacy for non-political things is refreshing. The Pullilams raped this town for decades, and had an editorial stance to the right of Atilla the Hun.

I'm an avid blog reader, 8:42, and I know this much: the number of "hits" a site gets is not necessarily directly related to its popularity. And certainly not related to its literacy or accuracy. Some of the best, most-accurate blogs aren't well-read. By some standards, anyway. That does not make them less informative or accurate. Just as more hits does not make IndyU accurate or informative.

That's why I read many papers and blogs. To sift out what I think it relevant and important. I have to do very little sifting on this blog. Don't always agree, but it makes me think. And it is well-written.

IndyU just rants. Not much constructive over there.

The IndyU crowd, for the most part, are just too damned shrill for me most of the time. I do sift out some gems, but it's a lot of work. Besides, I've talked to and/or know many LEOs. Their political leanings are all over the place, and they almost uniformly tell me IndyU is now credible.

An unscientific poll, yes, but...they're right about a lot of other things in this town, so I trust 'em.

Kevin, Not complaining its the truth. It's also t...

2007-09-07T10:52:00.000-05:00

Kevin,
Not complaining its the truth. It's also true that they supported the right whem Pulliam's owned it. How about a paper that doesn't lean to the left or the right? It would be nice, but I don't think it will ever happen.

So, do I conclude Matt Tully only approached one h...

2007-09-07T10:33:00.000-05:00

So, do I conclude Matt Tully only approached one house with Greg Ballard? Or did they all have barking dogs that made having a conversation impossible?

Or did Matt only select one instance to inject some personal bias into the story?

Bart hasn't been to my door asking for my vote. I don't know that he's been to even a single doorstep.