Comments on Advance Indiana™: Carter Warns SCOTUS Of Chaos In Voter ID Challenge

I worked the polls in Center Twp for a few years.....

2007-08-11T21:45:00.000-05:00

I worked the polls in Center Twp for a few years....saw the Dems bring in buses before voter ID of elderly & bums told how to vote.

I remember Julia illegally walking into the chute as well as Tony Duncan.

I bet those who violated the law most, object to voter ID most.

Voter ID made everything harder on the Democrats.....

2007-08-11T21:44:00.000-05:00

Voter ID made everything harder on the Democrats....remember their frivilous law suit?

They used a Democrat as an example who worked at the BMV and lied, saying she did not have ID, then admitted under oath that she had a driver's license.

Wilson lies!

Democrats are fraud, hypocricy and lies.

P. S. I note that most AI threads start with a comment from banned blogger Wilson (D). Why isn't he trespassing through the tulips instead of trespassing on this outstanding blog of truth?

Rokita told everyone before he was elected that he...

2007-08-11T11:27:00.000-05:00

Rokita told everyone before he was elected that he was in favor of Photo ID laws. Polling was done that found somewhere around 70%-80% of the people liked/wanted it too. Call him names and wish bad things for his future if you want (although it makes you sound hateful and bitter, 5:30), but he didn't hide what he wanted to do, was elected (and re-elected) by a large margin and then did what he said he was going to do. Which also happened to be popular with a large number of Hoosiers.

If we don't like the law in its current form, let's get the legislature to look at it again next session and improve it. That's where we should be spending our energy instead of this endless back and forth debate, name calling, or this very expensive lawsuit.

Anon 5:30,There was and is a vote fraud problem.Ha...

2007-08-11T11:15:00.000-05:00

Anon 5:30,

There was and is a vote fraud problem.

Have you never heard of "East Chicago?" How about "East St. Louis?" Milwaukee? Washington state?

Back up, 9:10...you really don't want your logic u...

2007-08-11T05:30:00.000-05:00

Back up, 9:10...you really don't want your logic used on the passage of all laws in Indiana.

If there were no problem, and there wasn't, ahy saddle us with a divisive and obtrusive new law?

Isn't less government the Republican way?

Try to focus on just that.

And admit that your Toady Todd is toast. His own mouth, ambition and passport did that to him. This ridiculous law was a precursor to his wild ambition, fueled by pandering to the far right.

It's bad legislation. The Dem lawsuit was flawed, too....but so be it.

It wasn't broken. It didn't ened fixed. The Crown Hill vote stuff is urban legend. Your four reasons are bogus, too...fraud is proven by documented evidence, period.

There was none.

There were no cases of documented unprosecuted vot...

2007-08-10T21:10:00.000-05:00

There were no cases of documented unprosecuted voter fraud in Indiana, anywhere, any time. Rokita looked hard for some.

There are really only four ways in which they could find fraud:

#1: Someone admits to it.
#2: Someone who goes to vote can't because someone else already voted and signed as that person.
#3: You compare voting logs and death notices.
#4: You compare voting logs from precinct to precinct.

For the first one, as long as no one says anything, you can't prove that. With #2, I think people voting as others likely know the person registered is either dead or won't ever show. This goes with #1 and #3.

Now with #3 and #4, I think these records are public notices. As such, I find it hard to believe that they can't find one case of fraud. My guess is that they only looked at a few areas, as pulling records from all over the state, entering names into a database, etc. is likely too much time and money.

Even with that being said, the simple fact that the Democrats can't find one example of a person who couldn't vote is also telling that this "problem" likely isn't much of one. All they barked about was all these folks who wouldn't be able to vote, yet when it came time to produce said folks, no one was available I guess. Democrats will claim that just because they can't find a case doesn't mean one doesn't exist. Well, using the same logic, just because you can't find one case of voter fraud doesn't mean it is non-existant.

Well if there was no problem before there isn't on...

2007-08-10T17:12:00.000-05:00

Well if there was no problem before there isn't one now. Heaven forbid someone do something to put a dent in the Crown Hill vote. It seems like people are arguing along political grounds instead of arguing the case itself. They couldn't find anybody who wouldn't be able to vote. Nobody. Not one person. Not a single person. Not a man, Not a woman. No one. It's a frivolous lawsuit. You can say it was frivolous legislation, but when's the last time either party even acknowledged that frivolous legislation even existed?

This argument has played itself out in courts, on ...

2007-08-10T14:45:00.000-05:00

This argument has played itself out in courts, on blogs, and at bars all over the state, but, 12:25, you're wrong, on this count:

Indiana's law is the most-restrictive in the country. Abusively so.

The "far left" isn't scared of the court's opinion. They're likely scared of Todd's runaway wedge whacking, which seems to have become commonplace for the Republican Party these days.

To restate:

There was no problem. This was an overkill solution searching for a problem. There were no cases of documented unprosecuted voter fraud in Indiana, anywhere, any time. Rokita looked hard for some.

Ample laws exist to handle the cases of voter fraud. Several have been prosecuted in recent years.

In true Republican-Libertarian form, why push government further down our throats, if we don't need to?

It was overkill to satisfy Rokita's base. No more, no less.
Just like Woody's stupid license palte on our dime. Pander to the base, instead of governing.

If Rokita perceived a huge problem, why didn't he study ways to solve it? Ask the 92 county clerks how they'd handle it? Ask national experts?

When he did submit his argument to national experts, he was rebuked soundly.

I think it's more a question of what the far-left ...

2007-08-10T12:25:00.000-05:00

I think it's more a question of what the far-left is scared of. They're the ones who filed the lawsuit against the state's voter-ID law. They're the ones who filed the appeal to SCOTUS when the Appeals court's decision didn't go their way.

10:49, it's illegal NOT to have an ID?Where do you...

2007-08-10T11:03:00.000-05:00

10:49, it's illegal NOT to have an ID?

Where do you people GET this stuff?

The argument, for me, is not an ID. It's the type of ID. Indiana's law is the most-restrictive in the nation. What the hell is the far right scared of?

What is the big deal for having an ID to vote???? ...

2007-08-10T10:49:00.000-05:00

What is the big deal for having an ID to vote???? I am not for sure I understand why you should not have one??? You need one to buy a car, get a mortgage...open a bank account...travel....drive....write and cash a check......buy alcohol and cigs.......and pretty much anything else you have to do. It is illegal not to have an ID anyway......I just don't get why the democrats are so upset about this......

So what are you saying, Gary, even the U.S. Suprem...

2007-08-10T09:33:00.000-05:00

So what are you saying, Gary, even the U.S. Supreme Court now decides cases based on political considerations?

The court has not used the Constitution for decades. Select members have ruled using _their_ personal belief on what the Constitution means.

Earth to 8:16: George Bush did not win in 2000. H...

2007-08-10T09:05:00.000-05:00

Earth to 8:16: George Bush did not win in 2000. He was annointed by the Supremes. And that court has gotten two votes more-far-right since then. Have you been living under a rock? Recent decisions on abortion rights, educational equity and lender rights, should tell us a great deal about their bent.

Trust me, those of us who read SCOTUS decisions for a hobby, know that Bush v Gore 2000, will go down in history as one of the worst-decided cases ever. Sandra Day O'Connor is rumored to be saying just that in her memoirs, now being written. She regrets her decision, it is alleged.

Never forget, Chief Rehnquist thought himself so regal that he had his title changed: from Chief Justice (PERIOD) to "Chief Justice of the United States." And he designed that unflattering robe and beanie he wore. Good Lord it's clear there were no gay men within five miels of THAT fashion faux pas.

AG Carter is further right than any of the current members of SCOTUS.

Rokita is a wedge whacking zealot.

You do the math.

So what are you saying, Gary, even the U.S. Suprem...

2007-08-10T08:16:00.000-05:00

So what are you saying, Gary, even the U.S. Supreme Court now decides cases based on political considerations? Isn't it bad enough that the decisions of the lower courts were, with the exception of Judge Rovner (bless her heart), strictly along party lines? Or that the Michigan Supreme Court also broke down along party lines in upholding that state's ID law? We already know something about the degree to which the Dept. of Justice has been politicized under Bush. Now I guess the same must be said about the federal judiciary, including the court of last resort? God help us.

"Carter told the justices that if they are tempted...

2007-08-10T08:11:00.000-05:00

"Carter told the justices that if they are tempted to consider the case, they ought to wait until after the 2008 elections, when it would “not precipitate emergency, election-eve challenges” and when there would be a record of voter ID law enforcement to take into account."

Hmmmm. Reminds me of this song:

Royally Oily
by Colleen Kattau

Well there once was an election by unpopular selection of an imbecilic lying father's son
Cause he was next in line to rise up from the slime and take the thrown by coup d'etat in Washington
....
and we were winning as dissenters when we called our representers
but they fixed the game and lied about the score.

(source: http://www.colleenkattau.com/freetracks/Colleen%20Kattau%20-%20Royally%20Oiligarchy.mp3)

Carter's argument is a little disingenuous. Fourt...

2007-08-10T08:09:00.000-05:00

Carter's argument is a little disingenuous. Fourteen states have "some form" of voter ID law. Right.

None has one more restrictive than Indiana. Not one.

His logistical argument makes some sense, as much as I hate to admit it. I thought, hoowever, that cert was granted/denied based on merits, not any particular calendar.

Yeah, Roberts was there in Fla. in 2000. So was i, as an observer. Shenanigans like that, you'll likely never see again. Voter Intent. Indeed.

Todd was likely too busy travelling, to make a "friend of the petition filing. God I can't wait until Todd runs for something again. Frequent Flier statements will abound! He's t-o-a-s-t and it couldn't happen to a smarmier a--hole than Todd.

Foxes guarding the chicken-house, eh?

2007-08-10T07:32:00.000-05:00

Foxes guarding the chicken-house, eh?