Comments on Advance Indiana™: Another Home-Grown Muslim Terrorist Attack On Our Own Soldiers

ARTFUGGINS - you need to be very careful making bo...

2009-11-07T23:54:05.750-05:00

ARTFUGGINS - you need to be very careful making bold statements that are fallacies.
You wrote "Oklahoma City was a tradegy committed by a Christian" yet you can not accurately state McVeigh was a devout, practicing Christian.
You took others for task for identifying a problem with Muslims. You may not know this but it appears Hasan attended THE VERY SAME MOSQUE IN GREAT FALLS, VIRGINIA IN 2001 AS NAWAF AL-HAZMI AND HANI HANJOUR. You may not remember these two as part of the team that flew flight 77 into the Pentagon but I will never forget them as I was in the Pentagon on 9/11.
If you can't see the obvious problem with a fundamentalist strain of Islam then that's fine - continue in your blissful ignorance but stop making comments that are illogical. You write about "horrible acts committed by Christians" yet I challenge you to name 2 acts committed by a known radical form of Christianity that even come close to the level of the terrorist acts caused by Muslims who follow Wahhabism or Salafism (as it is otherwise known).

While recognizing the degeneration of debate from ...

2009-11-07T13:54:11.990-05:00

While recognizing the degeneration of debate from the "wing nut(s)":

"...political terrorist..."- Rep. Baron Hill- D- IN- Aug 12

"...political terrorist..."- Steven Pearlstein, 2008 Pulitizer Prize winner- Washington Post- Aug 7

"...racist..."- Geraldo Rivera- Aug 5

"...racist..."- Amos Brown- Oct 29

Good luck herding those cats.

Hotair offers a little different narrative than wh...

2009-11-07T10:46:28.140-05:00

Hotair offers a little different narrative than what some in the mainstream media are feeding us on Hasan:

Well … yes, that’s true, if you think anything short of Hasan sitting up in his hospital bed and declaring “why, indeed, religion was a factor at Fort Hood” amounts to irresponsible speculation. But here’s what we’ve got so far, according to eyewitnesses, colleagues, and friends. He considered the war on terror a “war on Islam” and himself a Muslim first and an American second; he thought Muslims had the right to stand up to the “aggressor” in the Middle East and is suspected of posting things online about the selfless heroism of jihadist suicide bombers; he was placed on probation for proselytizing about Islam to patients and colleagues and was sufficiently devout that he refused to have his picture taken with women; he once used a lecture at a medical conference as an opportunity to discuss how the Koran orders decapitation for infidels; and, oh yes, he yelled “Allahu Akbar” before opening fire.

Greg, What happened was a terrible thing. Our mil...

2009-11-07T10:41:32.542-05:00

Greg,

What happened was a terrible thing. Our military should be more vigilant about people who aren't wrapped too tight.

That said, it's a tough call to know when someone is using their religion to justify their underlying attitudes and behavior. There are lots of examples where people who are basically self absorbed bad people who do just that. Most of us are mature enough to know when an individual or even a group is twisting religion and know not to condemn an entire religion.

Right now you remind me of the book Dr. Suess Goes To War - He railed against some of the dominant thinking at the time... and was an advocate for Blacks and Jews - not a particularly popular stance at the time. But he had a real blind spot for the Japanese Americans who he always shown as sneaky dirty Japs.

Actually, Paul, this comment on Catholic Exchange ...

2009-11-07T00:22:06.428-05:00

Actually, Paul, this comment on Catholic Exchange about the 2012 movie says a lot about tolerated religious dialogue today:

Catholic League president Bill Donohue speaks to the way Catholics and Muslims are treated in the upcoming film, “2012”:

When we got word recently that the movie “2012” depicts the Vatican being blown up, along with the famous statue from Rio, Christ the Redeemer, we were unmoved. Why? Because this occurs during the end of the world in a massive destruction. This kind of sensationalism, we reasoned, is standard fare for director Roland Emmerich: he is the guru of the “blow ‘em up” genre of movies. But now we’ve learned that while Catholics get theirs, Muslims are spared. Out of fear, of course.

Emmerich is more than a coward—he is a liar who has it out for Catholics. Last year, he was quoted saying, “I would like to erase all nations and religions.” Not true. He is quite content to live with Islam, even though he readily admits it is a religion of terror. When asked why he did not show the destruction of Kaaba, the religious structure in the Grand Mosque in Mecca, he said, “I wanted to do that, I have to admit. You can actually let Christian symbols fall apart, but if you would do this with [an] Arab symbol, you would have…a fatwa.”

So why was the Sistine Chapel designated for destruction? “We have to show how this gets destroyed….I am against organized religion.” Emmerich lies again. He is not against Islam.

Okay, Paul, then why are you still a Catholic? Sil...

2009-11-07T00:11:16.522-05:00

Okay, Paul, then why are you still a Catholic? Silliness begets silliness.

Gary, you don't explain your recurring referen...

2009-11-06T23:51:53.127-05:00

Gary, you don't explain your recurring reference to 'history' - you apparently cite to it to justify your derisive use of President Obama's middle name, continued inaccurate portrayal of his upbringing, or inference that "every Muslim belongs to a monolithic cabal taking orders from Islamabad" as IOPA aptly states.

I guess it depends upon what history you refer to. Islam was born into a culture of religious violence, mainly perpetrated by Christians upon those of other faiths. Early radical Islamic violence was mainly perpetrated upon other Muslims perceived as heretical, while Jews and Christians living amongst them were left alone. The Caliph and later the Ottoman Empire allowed Jews and Christians in their territories to continue to worship their faiths, while Muslims in Christian countries such as Spain were forced to convert or leave, and if converts were believed to be insufficiently Christian they were burned alive. History shows that humans in general can be very violent, especially when they have religious motive. All of which returns us to the question posed by many here - why condemn Islam as a religion based upon this man's crime, when countless similar crimes have been perpetrated by Christians?? If you want to cite to history, you need to at least give some idea of what history you cite to.

Greg, I don't know what news reports you'v...

2009-11-06T19:20:00.275-05:00

Greg, I don't know what news reports you've been reading, but everything points to an angry Muslim man who planned and carried out a bloody terrorist attack on our soldiers because he didn't want them fighting a Muslim enemy in Afghanistan and Iraq. I stand by what I wrote. Every news media report I've seen totally confirms what I wrote. If you want to pretend otherwise, then fine. Why is it religious bigotry to point out truths about this religion, but it's just fine for the liberals to trash Christians and their religion and just be exercising their free speech rights? I'm sick and tired of these double standards. I don't subscribe to Islam because I've studied it and understand what harm it has brought to this world. It is an extremly dangerous and violent ideology. Read your history, Greg, for God's sake.

Good Lord, here come the wingnuts. Gary, No PC C...

2009-11-06T18:50:25.608-05:00

Good Lord, here come the wingnuts.

Gary,

No PC Crap here. And from what you have posted, it's clear you are a religious bigot.

From the reports today it appears that it wasn't terrorism or based on his religion. And, for what it's worth, the President didn't say that it was random. In fact he said that "we will get answers to every single question" and that he has the FBI and Homeland Security working on it.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/11/05/sot.obama.ft.hood.shooting.cnn

Greg, I will say it again, you are a thoughtful person. But using this act to further what is clearly religious bigotry is beneath you. It cheapens the good work that you do.

I don't agree with his personal attacks, but iPOPA got it right in his comments.

The faux news clip features a Third hand report that the guy was saying this and that. It doesn't meet any basic test other than rumor.

People justify acts of cruelty with their religion after the fact quite often. Was the motivation that he didn't want to be shipped off or was it really an act of religious terrorism?

Thanks for the reminder and recalibration. We wer...

2009-11-06T16:49:25.467-05:00

Thanks for the reminder and recalibration. We were committing "terrorism" when we marched by local channels 8, 6, 13, and to the Star offices. We were constituting a "danger" to the public with signs protesting excessive government spending, biased media, and takeover of health care by government. The single channel 8 photographer with a camera that appeared was actually a very brave soul, to venture out amongst all those potentially violent radicals in disguise as largely gray-haired working people, who scrawled their own signs, drove their own cars and brought their own kids.

I didn't appreciate the magnitude of fear we brought to our local media. This explains perfectly why they didn't appear. It's not for any lack in pursuit of journalism, it's for the bone-chilling appearance of a lady in a coat waving cardboard, or the spine-tingling fear induced by a 55 year-old guy shaking his fist at a televsion station, or the jaw-dropping panic that can be induced by watching a 98-pound woman stamping her feet to the cadence of cheers through a bullhorn.

It's not that our local media WON'T cover events that truly concern readers, viewers, and listeners- they just get a little frightened by the "terrorism" of it sometime. I'm sure they'll regain their courage and start covering both sides of important issues any day now.

Right?

Melyssa, The Obama administration had ordered the ...

2009-11-06T14:01:08.239-05:00

Melyssa, The Obama administration had ordered the word "terrorist" struck from the vocabulary of our government. The use of the word is too offensive to some people.

The General in charge said the shooting was not an...

2009-11-06T13:45:12.518-05:00

The General in charge said the shooting was not an act of terrorism?

If that's not terrorism, then what is?

YET...I don't understand how folks with Ron Paul, U.S. Constitution, Liberty focused bumper stickers and Mr. and Mrs. Folks who go to Tea Parties are painted broadly as potential terrorists.

It's like the whole world is turned upside down.

It also amazes me that the U.S. military would ass...

2009-11-06T12:18:45.907-05:00

It also amazes me that the U.S. military would assign Dr. Hason to be a psychiatrist for our troops, knowing how absolutely outraged he was about being ordered to deploy to Iraq, to the point that reportedly he was ready to hire a lawyer to fight this. He had already been given a dissatisfactory job rating while serving as a psychiatrist at Walter Reed Hospital, from which he had just been transferred. What mental help for the troops was he capable of giving?

As far as 9/11, like most Americans I want a new investigation, and do not trust the findings of the FEMA commission. We are being led into a great depression, and I so agree with the Honorable Ron Paul, that all our troops should be brought home. Thank you!

Gary: you said, "Fact. Obama was born and rai...

2009-11-06T11:46:26.206-05:00

Gary: you said, "Fact. Obama was born and raised as a Muslim. Hence, the Muslim name."

Nope. Not fact. Neither "Barack" nor "Hussein" is a Muslim name. They're both names in the Arabic language (like "Gary" is a name in the English language, meaning "spear carrier" in the original Old English).

"Barack"(بارك) means "he who is blessed" or "blessed". "Hussein" (حسین), an extremely common name, means "good" or "handsome" or "beautiful".

And, as you well know, Iraq's Saddam Hussein was a secular, not a Muslim, ruler.

This POS can't even bother to talk about the t...

2009-11-06T10:49:18.019-05:00

This POS can't even bother to talk about the tragedy at Ft. Hood until he gets his brownie points thanking his friends and staff for a conference, etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0hiw8iXdMM&feature=player_embedded

We also never, in the history of our country, had ...

2009-11-06T10:40:42.807-05:00

We also never, in the history of our country, had our president BOW before a king.

Gary isn't the only news outlet calling this g...

2009-11-06T10:06:43.065-05:00

Gary isn't the only news outlet calling this guy a terrorist. The main stream media is reporting that the shooter made the anti American statements... more than once.
Why is it that some in America want to bury their heads in the sand until its too late? Obama is proud of his Muslin heritage; Gary might be on to something here.
Who says that the only weapons are guns and bombs? A pen can have the same effect, death. If Obama’s health care bill passes thousands might perish. Why?... because of Obama's persistence.
Gary tell these politically correct pinheads to kiss your American ass. "The pen is mightier than the sword" insert the word gun or bomb for sword and this statement still rings true. Do you believe that this is only taught in America? Obama can do more destruction in America just by signing his name than a thousand terrorists can do with weapons.vitypent

Forget the fact that he was a Moslem. 1) Suicide...

2009-11-06T09:47:08.006-05:00

Forget the fact that he was a Moslem.

1) Suicides are rapidly increasing in the military as a result of soldiers being sent off to fight unwinnable wars we never should have gotten in from the beginning. This suicidal soldier just took others along with him.

2) This Major has apparently been having problems and has been a problem for a long time, yet the Army continued to promote him and allow him to treat soldiers. It reminds me of this section of Arlo Guthrie's "Alice's Restaurant":

“They got a building down New York City, it's called Whitehall Street,
where you walk in, you get injected, inspected, detected, infected,
neglected and selected. I went down to get my physical examination one
day, and I walked in, I sat down, got good and drunk the night before, so
I looked and felt my best when I went in that morning. `Cause I wanted to
look like the all-American kid from New York City, man I wanted, I wanted
to feel like the all-, I wanted to be the all American kid from New York,
and I walked in, sat down, I was hung down, brung down, hung up, and all
kinds o' mean nasty ugly things. And I waked in and sat down and they gave
me a piece of paper, said, ‘Kid, see the phsychiatrist, room 604.’

And I went up there, I said, ‘Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I
wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and
guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill,
KILL, KILL.’; And I started jumpin up and down yelling, ‘KILL, KILL,’; and
he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down
yelling, ‘KILL, KILL.’; And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me,
sent me down the hall, said, ‘You're our boy.’”

I love it when liberals in this country are the fi...

2009-11-06T09:24:01.716-05:00

I love it when liberals in this country are the first to rush to the defense of Muslims and preaching tolerance. My view is that tolerance is a two-way street. When Muslims stop treating women as second class citizens, allowing their men to marry as many wives as they want, forcing young 10-year-old girls to marry 70-year-old men, defending honor killings, calling for the execution of all apostates and infidels and demanding that Sharia law prevail over our own democratic laws, then I will agree with my liberal friends.

We're back on "profiling". Is it de...

2009-11-06T09:09:39.167-05:00

We're back on "profiling". Is it demeaning to believe some students would be better off in vo-tech or a two-year college than a four-year university? If the guy at the front door taking out my daughter won't look me in the eye, is dressed poorly, and is driving something that barely got into the driveway- am I to be a judicious parent? If we roll a policeman out on a possible break-in based on a citizen's phone call and it turns out to be a black professor, or screen more Middle Eastern looking guys in line at the airport than grandmothers- this is racist, or sterotyping, or xenophobia?

I think we're to try to give everybody a fair shake in life. It's not always easy. It's not that there aren't non-Islamic terrorists or pale-skinned burglars, but we sometimes only have enough resouces, information, or time to "play the odds", go on statistics, some would argue- use "common sense".

Common sense tells me if you have soldiers that stridently, repeatedly make it clear that they have a problem placing their country's mission ahead of their religion, these guys are probably a risk to their fellow soldiers. Based on the collective modern bombings in New York, Spain, London, etc., I think it makes more common sense to screen Middle Eastern looking guys at the airport than play the odds that a grandmother wants to be the next Timothy McVeigh. I think we're stuck with the same statistical common sense in crime.

If I don't like the reputation a demographic has that I fit within, what should I do? I could move to Guam. However, I suggest if I don't like the reputation of greed some white, middle-class people are acquiring, then I better make darn sure I'm paying my taxes, volunteering time and money to my community, being a participatory citizen by voting, and speak-up on injustice- including by persons who are white & middle-class. Otherwise, try to do what's right and accept life's not always fair. There's a bus out there with my name on it and it could hit me tomorrow.

Granted, the whole story behind Fort Hood may not yet be known. I still think pursuit of "profiling" is societally necessary, particularly in protecting those serving our country, even if we can't always agree on it's practice.

Fact. Obama was born and raised as a Muslim. Hence...

2009-11-06T08:25:18.356-05:00

Fact. Obama was born and raised as a Muslim. Hence, the Muslim name. Get over it, Chris and Vox. We went through an entire campaign last year where anyone who attempted to shed light on Obama's background was castigated as a religious and racial bigot. We could only know the story that terrorist Bill Ayres made up in that book of lies he wrote for Obama that was passed off as truth. Also, anyone who is a student of history understands what the Muslim religion is all about. Don't try to pass of this moderate BS to me and don't try to blame the OK City bombing on Christians. McVeigh was trained by our own military. He was not driven by any extremist Christian ideology. Funny how Obama's election was suppose to usher in a new era when Muslims would suddenly stop hating us and trying to blow us up. I guess things haven't worked as planned, have they?

Amen to your last comment, Gary!

2009-11-06T07:25:55.239-05:00

Amen to your last comment, Gary!

There have been more attacks on soldiers by fellow...

2009-11-06T06:34:36.892-05:00

There have been more attacks on soldiers by fellow soldiers than I can count in the past decade, and this is the first time I recall any of them being Muslim.

What would you think if the media started using their political party affiliation to describe them? "Home-Grown Republican Terrorist Attack On Our Own Soldiers" sounds pretty nice, right?

I think to use this unwarranted tradegy as a platf...

2009-11-06T04:02:19.705-05:00

I think to use this unwarranted tradegy as a platform to condemn Muslims is totally wrong. Why don't you look at the horrible acts committed by Christians and condemn those. Oklahoma City was a tradegy committed by a Christian but you have never stated that all Christians are bad........the murders of some doctors in this country were the work of some Christian groups. The last murderer even has Christian groups raising money for his defense.

I forgot to add, I heard the same argument about n...

2009-11-06T03:25:02.182-05:00

I forgot to add, I heard the same argument about not letting ''p.c. crap'' keep us from knowing the real enemy before -- on rightwing religious websites talking about how homosexuals are secret killers right after Jeffrey Dahmer.

I guess you really ARE a Republican because,while you are fond of saying you are for individual rights, you will use an individual heinous act to besmirch an entire group, as long as you're not one of its members.