<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post279832392543694957..comments</id><updated>2020-04-11T03:30:02.282-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Advance Indiana™: Nonprofit Hospitals Don&#39;t Believe In Charity</title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12703782/279832392543694957/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2008/12/nonprofit-hospitals-dont-believe-in.html'/><link rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/"/><author><name>Gary R. Welsh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>6</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-7484512186734669876</id><published>2009-02-14T22:50:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2009-02-14T22:50:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Speaking of Charity =) I just started a new blog. ...</title><content type='html'>Speaking of Charity =) I just started a new blog.  Please take a look, I would greatly appreciate it! Pass it along, leave comments, suggestions, criticisms.  It&#39;s short, so if you hate it, at least it won&#39;t eat up your time!&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;http://www.helpforhumanity.blogspot.com/&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Thanks so much!&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;fellow hoosier, well &lt;B&gt;BOILER&lt;/B&gt; :)</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12703782/279832392543694957/comments/default/7484512186734669876'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12703782/279832392543694957/comments/default/7484512186734669876'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2008/12/nonprofit-hospitals-dont-believe-in.html?showComment=1234669800000#c7484512186734669876' title=''/><author><name>anothergirl</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/17927204416693121097</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2008/12/nonprofit-hospitals-dont-believe-in.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-279832392543694957' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12703782/posts/default/279832392543694957' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1031444534"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="10:50 PM GMT-5"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1959407944538453923</id><published>2008-12-15T09:44:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-12-15T09:44:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>While I think there is some sort of requirement fo...</title><content type='html'>While I think there is some sort of requirement for such facilities to devote a certain percentage of revenue to &quot;charity&quot; (the figure 6% keeps popping up in my head), I&#39;m not sure if that figure takes into account the staggering sums written off as uncollected, particularly from those who use the ER as a primary physician (or are illegal, as is typically the case with Wishard and Methodist).&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;What I&#39;ve often wondered is why said hospitals didn&#39;t open a string of free local community clinics for walk-in immediate care. That would likely reduce the load on their ER&#39;s, and certainly qualify them as non-profit under anyone&#39;s standards.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12703782/279832392543694957/comments/default/1959407944538453923'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12703782/279832392543694957/comments/default/1959407944538453923'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2008/12/nonprofit-hospitals-dont-believe-in.html?showComment=1229352240000#c1959407944538453923' title=''/><author><name>Jacob Perry</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/15659919624213074419</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2008/12/nonprofit-hospitals-dont-believe-in.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-279832392543694957' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12703782/posts/default/279832392543694957' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-583414960"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="9:44 AM GMT-5"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-4558926946615286187</id><published>2008-12-15T07:36:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-12-15T07:36:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Can&#39;t speak for the suburban networks, but I know ...</title><content type='html'>&lt;B&gt;Can&#39;t speak for the suburban networks, but I know Clarian and Wishard both run their ER&#39;s very, very, very extremely DEEPLY in the red. Less than 10% of the people who walk into the Wishard ER for treatment pay for it. Methodist isn&#39;t much better. That may not qualify as charity, but it&#39;s a big sacrifice that&#39;s willingly made.&lt;/B&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It is a big rip-off as well.  I was hurt on the job at IUPUI.  While I felt OK when the ambulance got there, I was told by supervisors to get checked out because it is better to be safe than sorry.  It was basically exhaustion/lack of fluids during one of the hottest days of the summer.  The Wishard ambulance crew game me fluids (my blood pressure was low, real low) and some sugar type substance.  They drove me non-emergency to IU Hospital ER, which was maybe a half mile drive.  That was $1,000.  Then, I was at the IU ER and the nurse took my vitals and the doctor came in and said &quot;just make sure you stay hydrated.&quot;  I was in and out of the ER within 15 mins. and that costs $1,000.  $2,000 for fuel usage of .5 miles, some suger substance, the bag of fluids, and the wages of the people who treated me within a 20 min. time period.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12703782/279832392543694957/comments/default/4558926946615286187'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12703782/279832392543694957/comments/default/4558926946615286187'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2008/12/nonprofit-hospitals-dont-believe-in.html?showComment=1229344560000#c4558926946615286187' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2008/12/nonprofit-hospitals-dont-believe-in.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-279832392543694957' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12703782/posts/default/279832392543694957' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1114923450"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="7:36 AM GMT-5"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-2527200205322153253</id><published>2008-12-15T03:44:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-12-15T03:44:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>A director of a nonprofit can set his/her salary a...</title><content type='html'>A director of a nonprofit can set his/her salary at whatever level they wish, so long as it&#39;s not based upon the revenue of the company, if I&#39;m not mistaken.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Can&#39;t speak for the suburban networks, but I know Clarian and Wishard both run their ER&#39;s very, very, very extremely DEEPLY in the red.  Less than 10% of the people who walk into the Wishard ER for treatment pay for it.  Methodist isn&#39;t much better.  That may not qualify as charity, but it&#39;s a big sacrifice that&#39;s willingly made.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;There are hundreds (maybe thousands?) of patients that walk into Methodist and/or Wishard, get treatment, walk out the door, and come back a week later.  Many of these people would qualify for federal healthcare but don&#39;t bother signing up because either way they don&#39;t have to pay for it.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I would agree on the hospital administrators having their pay set, in part, on a performance standard.  Even that, though, is sketchy at best since you&#39;ve got dozens of private doctors/consultant groups operating more or less independently out of both of them....</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12703782/279832392543694957/comments/default/2527200205322153253'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12703782/279832392543694957/comments/default/2527200205322153253'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2008/12/nonprofit-hospitals-dont-believe-in.html?showComment=1229330640000#c2527200205322153253' title=''/><author><name>Jason</name><uri>https://www.blogger.com/profile/00098975387467002921</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2008/12/nonprofit-hospitals-dont-believe-in.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-279832392543694957' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12703782/posts/default/279832392543694957' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1710526793"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="3:44 AM GMT-5"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-7257750316046080057</id><published>2008-12-14T18:03:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-12-14T18:03:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Alright, something we agree completely on.I for on...</title><content type='html'>Alright, something we agree completely on.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I for one, think that if they&#39;re going to claim non-profit status, there needs to be a limit on salaries for job classifications, and they need to do at least a substantial amount of their work for the financially insolvent, in the form of free or sliding scale fee operations, 20% or so should be the absolute minimum.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;If they can&#39;t agree to that, then they should pay taxes like the for-profit hospitals do.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12703782/279832392543694957/comments/default/7257750316046080057'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12703782/279832392543694957/comments/default/7257750316046080057'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2008/12/nonprofit-hospitals-dont-believe-in.html?showComment=1229295780000#c7257750316046080057' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2008/12/nonprofit-hospitals-dont-believe-in.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-279832392543694957' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12703782/posts/default/279832392543694957' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1114923450"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="6:03 PM GMT-5"/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-8150420792718466446</id><published>2008-12-14T17:25:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-12-14T17:25:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I don&#39;t know why you slam the elevated train.  The...</title><content type='html'>I don&#39;t know why you slam the elevated train.  The liability alone is likely worth it.  The constant running of shuttle buses from 16th St. to IUPUI is likely to have a higher chance of a major accident, even a fatality, than the tram.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12703782/279832392543694957/comments/default/8150420792718466446'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12703782/279832392543694957/comments/default/8150420792718466446'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2008/12/nonprofit-hospitals-dont-believe-in.html?showComment=1229293500000#c8150420792718466446' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2008/12/nonprofit-hospitals-dont-believe-in.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-279832392543694957' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12703782/posts/default/279832392543694957' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.itemClass" value="pid-1114923450"/><gd:extendedProperty name="blogger.displayTime" value="5:25 PM GMT-5"/></entry></feed>