Comments on Advance Indiana™: Carson Backs Liquor Lobbyist For Zoning Board

GREG LIES!!!!!!

2008-02-12T22:30:00.000-05:00

GREG LIES!!!!!!

To HOOSIERS FOR FAIR TAX said... "We just found ou...

2008-02-12T18:54:00.000-05:00

To HOOSIERS FOR FAIR TAX said...
"We just found out that Carson has declined to appear at the forum for the 7th district candidates tonight. From what we understand Elrod and Shepard will be there."

I see Andre is being as accessible to the people as Julia was, some things really DO run in the family.

As an elected official the PEOPLE can ask you any ...

2008-02-12T18:52:00.000-05:00

As an elected official the PEOPLE can ask you any question they want regarding your stand on the issues or your vote.

ANDRE IF YOU DON'T LIKE QUESTIONS GET OUT OF THE RACE NOW! I GUARANTEE YOU IT ISN'T GOING TO GET BETTER.

Wilson, go watch your own video. If ANYONE made a...

2008-02-12T18:50:00.000-05:00

Wilson, go watch your own video. If ANYONE made any derogitory comments towards gays you would be screaming "OFF WITH THEIR HEADS". So I guess it is ok with you, and Andre, to treat women as second class citizens.

I am sure you have been told to destroy the tape. BTW, you have NO idea who I am, I am not your regular punching bag.

I wonder if he has the same excuses that Julia Car...

2008-02-12T17:58:00.000-05:00

I wonder if he has the same excuses that Julia Carson used 2 years ago ?

I am hoping that Andre does not back out of the Fe...

2008-02-12T16:46:00.000-05:00

I am hoping that Andre does not back out of the Feb. 22 7 p.m. debate to be hosted at Jeses MCC.

But then, he might...

We just found out that Carson has declined to appe...

2008-02-12T15:35:00.000-05:00

We just found out that Carson has declined to appear at the forum for the 7th district candidates tonight. From what we understand Elrod and Shepard will be there.

I think it's great to have a couple of Libertarian...

2008-02-12T13:25:00.000-05:00

I think it's great to have a couple of Libertarians that have some respect for personal property rights on the BZA.

Klopfenstein is not registered to lobby, although ...

2008-02-12T13:16:00.000-05:00

Klopfenstein is not registered to lobby, although the organization he runs is a registered employer lobbyist. As an attorney and former lobbyist, I can tell you that he should be registered as well under my interpretation of the law.

Is Klopfenstein a registered lobbyist? I was told...

2008-02-12T12:06:00.000-05:00

Is Klopfenstein a registered lobbyist? I was told he was not.

Quote...I think Andre Carson threatened me tonight...

2008-02-12T11:54:00.000-05:00

Quote...I think Andre Carson threatened me tonight.
I asked him a question about his vote in the transfer of IMPD back to the Mayor. I asked why his votes were along party line and not based on what was best for the public safety of Indy.
Andre got bent out of shape and told me that I wasn't going to question him at every CC meeting. I wasn’t being aggressive or disrespectful and I didn’t raise my voice. I simply asked him why he voted along party lines and he took exception. Andre stated that I was grandstanding and was only craving attention. I tried to explain that I’ve only spoke out about public safety issues but he wouldn’t hear any of it. Andre told me to get out of the CCB. I asked what authority he had to expel me and he went ballistic. ...End Quote

Ernie, Ernie Ernie, I am shocked and disappointed in your actions. You dare question the Crown Prince about his actions and on his anointed turf. How Dare You.

I would very carefully document the above because in this day and age no one really knows where there is a safe haven or where ones enemies lay in wait. I'd also be very leery and watch cautiously for Disciples of Farrakhan. Forgive Andre for maybe he was just having a flashback to his days in the NOI. Rage and Hatred sometimes are very difficult to control.

Ernie, wouldn't it be best to approach one of Andre's Handlers (like Wilson) for an explanation instead of bothering the Prince himself. I'm sure that Wilson's and Andre's answers will be one and the same.

Ernie, Go in Peace My Friend and Forgive Our Anointed Brother for He Knows Not What Affect His Wrath & Ire Have on the Common Man.

Brad Klopfenstein is a likable fellow. Smart. Fr...

2008-02-12T09:32:00.000-05:00

Brad Klopfenstein is a likable fellow. Smart. Friendly, courteous...crimmeny he's practically a freaking Boy Scout.

But the appointment of a lobbyist to an important city board directly contradicts a promise I personally heard Greg Balalrd make at a public meeting in early October. When questioned by a citizen about this very issue, Ballard was quick and firm in his response: "It will not happen in my administration."

That is a direct quote.

And now it has happened.

This is not an insignificant deviance from his stated goals.

Andre, your vote for this lobbyist is a shame. I thought you bad more b---- than that. Evidently I was wrong.

And if the above Ernie account is even 1/4 true, it's pretty clear Andre cannot handle disagreeable citizens. Which makes him perfect for Congress---NOT.

It just hones in on the experience issue for Andre.

I watched some angry far-right Christians go toe-to-toe with Jon Elrod during a hallway debate on SJR7 last session. They were rude, disgusting and in his face. He calmly thanked them for their views, gave them a business card to contact him in the future, and excused himself.

Andre: take a lesson.

Oh yeah, Wilson: under what set of warped standards are councillors not obligated to answer citizens' questions at a public meeting?

That's a pretty Monroe-Gray-arrogant type of comment.

I've seen Ernie in meetings before. He's wrong on most issues, but he's not impolite. I wasn't aware The Great Oz could only be talked to, by we commoners, at certain appointed times.

Andre owes Ernie an apology. A true gentleman would've already done it. A true gentleman public servant like, oh, say--Andy Jacobs.

With all the issues facing this State, why are pul...

2008-02-12T08:59:00.000-05:00

With all the issues facing this State, why are pull tab machines in bars even an issue? Hell, there's a machine that sells pull tabs right next the the ATM in Bud's Supermarket in Fountain Square! Why not take the pulll tab machines out of supermarkets and put them in bars? Gambling is a choice and a recreation for most. Put them in bars for crying out loud.

Wow.I was a big Andre' supporter till now.If this ...

2008-02-12T08:32:00.000-05:00

Wow.I was a big Andre' supporter till now.If this is true at the CC meeting,I have seen the light.I usually vote Democrat,but Andre' has really scared my,just like Hillery has scared me.Mr Elrod you have my vote.

The only thing that concerns me here is that it se...

2008-02-12T07:30:00.000-05:00

The only thing that concerns me here is that it seemingly has taken very little to rattle André Carson. If a little heat from a local activist pops André's top, what the heck might happen in D.C. when André is faced with some real heat?

Look in the mirror André, are you really tough enough? It appears that the City-County Council is pushing your limits.

What a site this is!! It is full of the usual Car...

2008-02-12T06:38:00.000-05:00

What a site this is!! It is full of the usual Carson haters blathering on and on. Andre Carson is criticized because he voted the same way 22 of the 29 councilors voted and all republicans voted on the nomination of Klopfenstein to a city board. Only an appointment to the Liquor Board would have posed a conflict and this was not for that but for zoning matters.
Then Andre is criticized for voting along partisan lines.....some people need to face the fact that Andre Carson is intelligent and will vote for what he believes to be in the interest of his district.

Andre told me to get out of the CCB. I asked what ...

2008-02-12T04:43:00.000-05:00

Andre told me to get out of the CCB. I asked what authority he had to expel me and he went ballistic.
Gray and Bateman had to get him to calm down. When I told him I would do as I pleased and reminded him that I was at a public assembly in a public building asking questions of a city councilman he said he would take measures to see that I wouldn't do it again.
Gray overheard all of this and told GaryJ on the way out that one day I would ask the wrong question and someone would take care of me. I think that was a threat too.

André Carson and other Councilors are under any no obligation to answer your bullying and baiting questions..

Well, they don't have the right to ban him from public meetings. He should be wearing a digital recorder now. Let them throw you out for doing nothing wrong then sue them for violating your rights.

"You've threatened me and my camera online here .....

2008-02-12T00:39:00.000-05:00

"You've threatened me and my camera online here ..."

Wilson that's an out and out lie. I never threatened you or your camera.

"you just mentioned this week about almost getting into a fistfight with an election official in 2006."

Again another lie. I stepped between Tony Duncan and a woman whom he was threatening. What was I to do let him manhandle her?

"André Carson and other Councilors are under any no obligation to answer your bullying and baiting questions"

I never said that Andre was required to answer, I said that I had the right to ask.

"baiting questions"

That’s odd, you and Andre use the same term "baiting" maybe you do speak for him after all.

Before tonight I thought he was his own man. I was wrong to give him that much credit.
I now can see that he can’t think on his own. Andre needs idiots like you Wilson telling him what to say and how to vote.
One question Wilson. If he wins the election are you going to Washington with him?

The council made two excellenet choices.

2008-02-11T23:59:00.000-05:00

The council made two excellenet choices.

Because you are simply a loud-mouthed bully. You'v...

2008-02-11T23:39:00.000-05:00

Because you are simply a loud-mouthed bully. You've threatened me and my camera online here ... you just mentioned this week about almost getting into a fistfight with an election official in 2006. André Carson and other Councilors are under any no obligation to answer your bullying and baiting questions...

As Hubert Humphrey said: just because you have freedom of speech, nobody has to take you seriously!

I think Andre Carson threatened me tonight. I aske...

2008-02-11T23:04:00.000-05:00

I think Andre Carson threatened me tonight.
I asked him a question about his vote in the transfer of IMPD back to the Mayor. I asked why his votes were along party line and not based on what was best for the public safety of Indy.
Andre got bent out of shape and told me that I wasn't going to question him at every CC meeting. I wasn’t being aggressive or disrespectful and I didn’t raise my voice. I simply asked him why he voted along party lines and he took exception.
Andre stated that I was grandstanding and was only craving attention. I tried to explain that I’ve only spoke out about public safety issues but he wouldn’t hear any of it.
Andre told me to get out of the CCB. I asked what authority he had to expel me and he went ballistic.
Gray and Bateman had to get him to calm down. When I told him I would do as I pleased and reminded him that I was at a public assembly in a public building asking questions of a city councilman he said he would take measures to see that I wouldn't do it again.
Gray overheard all of this and told GaryJ on the way out that one day I would ask the wrong question and someone would take care of me. I think that was a threat too.
Carson can’t take a little heat at a city council meeting without losing his composure and making threats. Why should we believe that he is mentally able to handle congress?
Carson isn't the only councilman that I question. If I disagree I make it a habit to question anyone I don't agree with. I'm not going away and I won‘t stop asking questions.

Wilson you weren't there.
I know it’s never stopped you before, but... how in hell can you comment on something that you know nothing about?

Incidentally, Jon Elrod voted against Klopfenstein...

2008-02-11T22:54:00.000-05:00

Incidentally, Jon Elrod voted against Klopfenstein's awful bill to turn every bar in this state into a mini gambling hall.

Ernie Shearer was just being his usual loud bullyi...

2008-02-11T22:52:00.000-05:00

Ernie Shearer was just being his usual loud bullying self -- huffing and puffing and full of bluster. No big deal except IndyErnie may have had his feelings hurt. He'll get over it soon...

I don't think it's fair to simply classify a 3rd p...

2008-02-11T22:50:00.000-05:00

I don't think it's fair to simply classify a 3rd party candidate as a spoiler. If we all agree the Democrats and Republicans can't live up to campaign promises due to influence from the corporations that pay to elect them, then we probably are going to have to look outside the D&R box for solutions to that problem.

Wilson, I understand Ernie and Andre had quite a l...

2008-02-11T22:49:00.000-05:00

Wilson, I understand Ernie and Andre had quite a little confrontation at tonight's council meeting. Do you know what that was all about?