Comments on Advance Indiana™: Shirley Justice Family Releases Statement On Shooting

I haven't been able to get this case out of my...

2014-05-26T22:49:22.361-05:00

I haven't been able to get this case out of my mind. I was wondering if there are any updates? I saw the recent interview with the victim on WTHR....but so many questions have been left unanswered.

Are we, as human beings, going to allow this horrific case to be brushed off into anonymity? Or are we going to stand up and say, "As a society, this is unacceptable and we will NOT allow those responsible to run away, unscathed?"

Whether the responsible parties are private citizens, government agencies, lawyers, or whomever....do we assume that Mr. Justice was justified in gunning down his ex wife....do we walk away? Do we allow these children to continue to be "lost in the system"? As should be obvious to anyone with even half of a brain, the "system" failed this mother and these children. Perhaps the system failed the father as well.

Should we hide from all of these ugly, unanswered questions, or should we unite, stand up as one, and say, "Something went horrifically wrong here. How can we ensure that this doesn't happen to anyone else?" Do we DEMAND transparency? Or do we tuck our tails between our legs and run away, until the next tragedy becomes front page news (but only for about a week or so)?

2014-05-15T23:44:48.601-05:00

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It is absolutely sickening to see any person, lawy...

2014-03-06T23:25:42.823-05:00

It is absolutely sickening to see any person, lawyer or non lawyer, defend a human being who shoots another UNARMED human being 13 times. Then to claim the shooter was just a "good father"? I am absolutely flabbergasted.

The victim did NOTHING to "deserve" the death penalty without a trial....nor did her actions "earn" her the torture of 13 bullets to her body. NO HUMAN BEING deserves such treatment.

If American lawyers have dropped so low that they believe the actions of this man to be in any way, shape or form "excusable"....then our democracy and Constitution lay in rags. Let the lawyers and judges piss on them.

Disgusting.

No one can make the case that a man who shot his c...

2014-02-27T18:20:01.910-05:00

No one can make the case that a man who shot his childs mother 13 times is a good father. NOT EVER! The public should not only be outraged but should be marching outside the jail! What a horrible injustice.

13 bullets imbedded with risk of major infections....

2014-02-20T13:03:50.499-05:00

13 bullets imbedded with risk of major infections. He had multiple weapons. Domestic Violence history...If you see something say something and I am damn proud there are advocates out here speaking up and not covering up. Every citizen should thwart injustices...

We guarantee you there are more stories out there ...

2014-02-20T10:33:33.160-05:00

We guarantee you there are more stories out there of bad judges at every level... Pay to players and more. This blogger wrote a story and I'd like to see accountability for the child's health, welfare and safety and not legal drama. But of course, what led to this...legal drama.

Anon 9:04: To begin, if you are attempting to com...

2014-02-20T10:25:25.870-05:00

Anon 9:04: To begin, if you are attempting to come off as high and mighty, please learn some grammar. Secondly, you can't lose ALL your rights. Attorneys are held to a higher standard as well they should. They are officers of the court and there is a covenant assigned. I say this as a non attorney who has read far too many briefs in my business then I care to mention. Lastly, what do you think attorneys who are representing litigants with suits against the state are representing? I encourage you to speak from facts and not half ass opinions.

I’m trying to figure out your primary interest in ...

2014-02-20T09:48:02.680-05:00

I’m trying to figure out your primary interest in the story, Gary. Is it the seemingly vicious, uncaring nature of the draconian custody and support order Judge McCarty issued in response to the lazy judge motion that needles you? Because that’s the type of legal system we seem to have now in Indiana; even a lay business person sees these ever-present injustices from the bench. Or is it something in the larger picture; the custody comedy of errors with a foreseeable tragic result that upsets your inner sense of justice? I suppose to me the real sadness of the story is that members of the bar are now so afraid to criticize even the worst actions of Judges after the brutal way Ogden was slapped down. How will the profession raise itself up when the disciplinary commission seems primarily to exist to stifle whistleblowing and protect insiders.

Yes, you do lose all your rights when you become a...

2014-02-20T09:04:19.848-05:00

Yes, you do lose all your rights when you become an attorney, Gary. That's what being an attorney is. You are now a part of the state and are required to put the state in the best light to ensure that the public supports and respects the state.

As an attorney, you are watched in every action you undertake, and your attorney license limits your range of action in almost everything you do.

If you get into a customer-service dispute anywhere in the world, the person on the receiving end of your criticism can complain to the Supreme Court that whatever you did and whatever sharply worded statements you used is unbecoming of an attorney, and your license will be under attack.

Just eat your cold pasta primavera if you want to keep your law license.

anon 11:18, The CCS entries, which is an online pu...

2014-02-20T08:09:00.001-05:00

anon 11:18, The CCS entries, which is an online publicly-accessible record, shows the praecipe and order being filed on the same date. I explained how Trial Rule 53.1 works. The Supreme Court order withdrawing the case speaks for itself.

anon 11: 57, The only person responsible for the s...

2014-02-20T08:01:05.677-05:00

anon 11: 57, The only person responsible for the shooting is the person who pulled the trigger, who will now face the consequences of that decision.

anon 9:13, The statement put out by the family is their opinions of the events in this highly tragic outcome.

anon 9:18, No, you don't surrender your rights when you become an attorney. If attorneys in this country lose their right to speak out on matters of public concern at any point, then we have ceased to be the democratic republic intended by our constitution and become a totalitarian state.

Justice delayed is justice denied...unfortunately,...

2014-02-19T23:57:02.969-05:00

Justice delayed is justice denied...unfortunately, in this matter,someone got shot apparently because of that delay.

What will The Indiana Supreme Court do about this?

Well, they still have not issued an order in the matter of Judge Kim Brown, for which The Special Masters recommended she be removed from The Judiciary after a week-long disciplinary case against Brown in which The Masters filed 107 pages of findings of fact, conclusions of law and recommended sanctioons of removal. The commission proved more than 80 rules violations by clear and convincing evidence on 46 of 47 counts against Brown in that matter which concluded in December.

It is now almost 60 days later and The Indiana Supreme Court has not acted on the recommendation. Can The People of Indiana file a lazy judge complaint against The Indiana Supreme Court? -They have the Indiana taxpayers paying her a big salary to do nothing for quite a while now, as well as another salary for the judge sitting in her place.

No attorney wanst to file a lazy judge motion if i...

2014-02-19T23:18:34.581-05:00

No attorney wanst to file a lazy judge motion if it is not necessary. In this case the pro se party filed it incorrectly based on the trial rules. The pro se party was notified if this. The trial judge entered his order she didn't like it and tired may attorneys trying to get a lazy judge motion filed because she didn't like the order. Until the news media actually does investigative journalism maybe then we could trust their facts.

Let's worry more about the negligence of DCS a...

2014-02-19T21:36:30.283-05:00

Let's worry more about the negligence of DCS and the courts on this matter, the health, welfare and safety of mother and child, rather than a journalist on a blog doing what should be done---reporting the facts. Seriously....Dig Deeper...More stories like this one out there. WRTV has been a hound dog on this agency...Another fallen due to negligence...

You surrender your rights when you raise your righ...

2014-02-19T21:18:19.211-05:00

You surrender your rights when you raise your right hand and become a lawyer.

If something you say could be construed as casting a judge or governmental official in a negative light, you've attacked the credibility of the profession, and you are subject to sanction.

The lies you tell this statement from shirley is f...

2014-02-19T21:13:41.924-05:00

The lies you tell this statement from shirley is far from the truth . Chistopher justice has been a wonderful father to his child . All he wanted to do was protect his daughter from an abusive situation.

There's no judgment rendered here on my part. ...

2014-02-19T20:09:59.691-05:00

There's no judgment rendered here on my part. I'm simply relating the action taken by the Supreme Court in response to the lazy judge motion filed by the mother. If attorneys in this state have lost that right as well, then nothing remains of our First Amendment rights under the U.S. Constitution, which we all took an oath to uphold as officers of the court.

now now, no attorney is ever supposed to criticize...

2014-02-19T20:06:11.685-05:00

now now, no attorney is ever supposed to criticize a trial court Judge, unless that attorney is willing to tangle with Mr. Witte and his Disciplinary Commission.