tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post366162922323849425..comments2020-04-11T03:30:02.282-05:00Gary R. Welshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-80645453343595637132007-02-21T10:04:00.000-05:002007-02-21T10:04:00.000-05:00The Savoy is relevant to Biddle's denouncement of Gary for comparing the actions of those pushing SJR-7 and other discriminatory efforts against gays and lesbian's, while he accused people who opposed the Savoy for principled reasons that had nothing to do with the race of the bar's owners or patrons as being racists. Gary offered a rational, historical comparison of the two, while Biddle relied on irrational emotions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-79017016192476187782007-02-21T06:12:00.000-05:002007-02-21T06:12:00.000-05:00Please, folks, let's try to separate emotion from facts.<BR/>How are the Savoy and Micah Clark's hate-mongering crowd similar? DId I miss something, and Micah's homophobes also chmie in against the Savoy?<BR/><BR/>Angela Mansfield and the North Willow neighbors fought the Savoy for almost a year. It took that long for the ridiculous violations to close the place down.<BR/><BR/>Race had zero--Z-E-R-O--to do with it. Those who look for that option are doomed to stupidity on the subject. The casefile had dozens of police runs and multiple fire code violations. The nursing home right next door was the worst recipient of this club's noise and litter problems.<BR/><BR/>Since when is it racist to insist that businesses operate legally? Only in Biddle's and Amos Brown's worlds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-31162961768903454972007-02-20T21:28:00.000-05:002007-02-20T21:28:00.000-05:00Jeff and Wilson are both quite right - Read "Our Town: A Heartland Lynching, a Haunted Town, and the Hidden History of White America" -- covers quite a bit of history of the KKK in Indiana. Three out of every four white men were Klan members in Indiana in the early 20's, and they were the upper and middle class folks. And they did rally in the public parks and public spaces everywhere, including in Indianapolis. They didn't hide out in the woods the way they do now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-2757487135125210782007-02-20T20:06:00.000-05:002007-02-20T20:06:00.000-05:00The reason that RiShawn Biddle and others think the comparisons to the Klan are so over-the-top is they have mental images of white hoods, cross burnings, and quasi-illiterate f**ks who call themselves Dragons and Wizards.<BR/><BR/>Gary's Klan comparisons are being made in a historical perspective, where the Klan was a powerful political force in Indiana. <BR/><BR/>When you really examine the similarities between the anti-gay forces and the <I>historical</I> Klan, the vision of Eric Miller holding his rallies or parading around the Legislative chambers like he owns the place is indeed a chilling one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-89128431834071564202007-02-20T19:11:00.000-05:002007-02-20T19:11:00.000-05:00The Indiana Klan of the 1920s was made up of civic-minded white Protestant native-born men - genuine pillars of the community. They spoke well and would never curse in public. They attended chrch regularly and tithed. They indulged in genteel discourse at the Statehouse. Lord knows what they did at the Claypool!<BR/><BR/>They <I>merely</I> advocated policies against minorities such as Catholics, foreigners, "coloreds" and union-members.<BR/><BR/>But they were gentlemen with calm speech!Wilson46201https://www.blogger.com/profile/06987859307032067229noreply@blogger.com