Comments on Advance Indiana™: Another Simon Mall Faulters

Anonymous 8:28, My experience, too, is that Westf...

2014-08-27T09:12:21.944-05:00

Anonymous 8:28,

My experience, too, is that Westfield malls are nicer, more friendly, more alive, and better maintained. When Simon bought DeBartolo, Simon owned every mall in the city except for Glendale. The City under Goldsmith thought it was great because Simon is based here, but it really meant they had no competition and could force us to go to certain malls simply by neglecting the others. If Westfield had owned Washington Square, they would have been trying to compete with Castleton and Greenwood and maintained it accordingly.

6:13, It really seems the Simons want the easiest ...

2014-08-27T08:28:23.155-05:00

6:13, It really seems the Simons want the easiest and safest dollar possible and immediately bolt if the grass isn't perfectly green.

If the Simons are so neglectful in their home town, what are they like elsewhere?

In my experience, I find Westfield malls to be nicer than Simon malls.

www.westfield.com

Anon 3:32 called out The Simons' best!!! &quo...

2014-08-27T06:13:31.383-05:00

Anon 3:32 called out The Simons' best!!!

"Everything is in a constant state of decline. Maintenance, upkeep, innovation and promotion are the ways to keep building your business." -So why has Simon Properties NEGLECTED it's former prized treasure and newest mall in Indianapolis??? Why does it's parking lot look like a war zone? Why have anchor tenants left??? -The answers are as obvious as why they left Lafayette Square to those who have lived here.

The Pacers also faulter...so how about we demand f...

2014-08-27T06:09:33.423-05:00

The Pacers also faulter...so how about we demand fair market rent from their owners? -What about The City keep parking revenue, since we own The Fieldhouse? How about we get all concession revenue since we own The Fieldhouse?

Why are taxPAYERS not getting any return on their investment?

"In the case of Washington Square, the mall w...

2014-08-26T15:32:27.390-05:00

"In the case of Washington Square, the mall was declining somewhat when Simon acquired DeBartolo"

What? How does this matter?

Everything is in a constant state of decline. Maintenance, upkeep, innovation and promotion are the ways to keep building your business.

A mall isn't a static investment that magically pays rents in perpetuity.

Anonymous 8:14, In fairness, Columbus City Center...

2014-08-26T14:22:14.450-05:00

Anonymous 8:14,

In fairness, Columbus City Center was on the verge of complete collapse before Simon acquired it. The downtown mall started going downhill with a 1994 gang shooting in the lower atrium that put it on lockdown. In the case of Washington Square, the mall was declining somewhat when Simon acquired DeBartolo. DeBartolo had promised a renovation of the mall, but contrary to what the story says Simon reneged on that promise. Physically, Washington Square is in bad shape - for years the tenants have complained about damaging leaks from pipes and the roof, dirty carpet, crumbling walls and floors. Simon has ignored them. The rumor over here is that Simon mortgaged the mall and used the money for other properties. This is almost entirely on Simon.

Cue all of the Eastsiders whining in 3...2...1...

2014-08-26T13:11:26.599-05:00

Cue all of the Eastsiders whining in 3...2...1...

And as I recall, the published deal was that only ...

2014-08-26T12:49:02.329-05:00

And as I recall, the published deal was that only a small part of the park would be taken, and the fountains would remain.
SURPRISE!

I hate the Simon HQ location. It could have been ...

2014-08-26T12:17:03.670-05:00

I hate the Simon HQ location. It could have been sited at the old MSA site instead of wrecking Capital Commons and the views of the Statehouse.

You're exactly right, 9:18. From student loans...

2014-08-26T11:48:28.967-05:00

You're exactly right, 9:18. From student loans to home mortgages, it's about time that the average citizen treated their debt like the big boys do. If this endeavor isn't working for you, walk away.

If you default on millions, they call you a leading corporate citizen and invite you to the finest parties. If you default on thousands in student-loan debt, because the economy isn't working so well for you, they treat you like a parasite.

They've created a structure where it's your job to pay money into their system.

…and the Simon Property Group has “no comment” on ...

2014-08-26T09:18:37.127-05:00

…and the Simon Property Group has “no comment” on the subject of Washington Square Mall. The mall is no longer listed on their web list of their prime properties. They will just walk away from the mall, from the debt, and from the good people of the east side of central Indiana that shop in the entire area that’s grown up around Washington Square Mall; hundreds of business owners. What an insult. They didn’t even have the decency to find an acceptable purchaser for the mall so that it had a running start. They just walked away from the mortgages and let it go back to the bank. Done deal. That Simon is quite a guy. Takes our money for his ball team, no problem. But couldn’t care less about showing some personal responsibility for his business failure at Washington Square. Isn’t that what big business talks about when talking about all the little guys who defaulted on their house mortgages; that these are people with no personal responsibility, who bought more than they could handle, and then just walked away when the going got tough and the value of their property fell below mortgage amount. Is it somehow all right when a Simon strategically defaults? Not to me it isn’t. Nobody ought to defend this guy, with enough personal and corporate wealth to pay off that mortgage. He should have made this right. Instead, he follows a pattern of abandoning properties in Indianapolis once he’s made his money off them; he doesn’t do it gracefully or with any responsibility, he walks away, he defaults, he dumps them off on communities ill prepared to step in and deal with the blight that follows. The guy ought to be somehow stopped from doing this again. He’s no public figure to look up to. He’s pillaging his way through this town. I expect the city county council and the mayor and our congressmen to call Simon to task. This has to be made right, and if it isn’t, then I want all the tax abatements and corporate welfare to the Simons stopped. This is not a community failure. This is a failure of his corporate management, and he has the money to make it right.

It was quite shocking that Simon was allowed to co...

2014-08-26T08:22:08.138-05:00

It was quite shocking that Simon was allowed to construct an office tower on what had been a splendid park area, casting a shadow over our Capitol Building and got free parking for its employees in a city-owned parking garage to boot. That office tower could have and should have been built across the street from Banker's Life Fieldhouse, but the Simons wanted to flex their clout and our bought and paid for politicians obliged them.

Don't forget Columbus City Center: http://en....

2014-08-26T08:14:55.918-05:00

Don't forget Columbus City Center:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus_City_Center

Even though downtown Indy has had office space widely available for decades, the City tore down Capitol Commons Park to give Simon land for an uneeded corporate center.

Here's what used to sit at the site of the Simon Building:

www.liszak.com/gallery/caosq.jpg