Comments on Advance Indiana™: Media's Memory On Carmel High School Short

I am appalled at the behavior of the pricipal and ...

2010-03-06T22:48:08.988-05:00

I am appalled at the behavior of the pricipal and coaches. They should be fired immediately. They were responsible for protecting these children and instead tried to protect the perpetrators. I am sickened by this. I have two sons and if this had happened to them I wouldnt rest until these adults where prosecuted.

I don't think that we should jump on every blu...

2010-03-04T00:39:11.492-05:00

I don't think that we should jump on every blunder that students make as a reason to bash Hamilton County and Carmel. I wouldn't say this kind of thing is common, but it's not uncommon. I don't see it as a reason to judge the rest of the 4000 students at the school for being well off.

I went to Carmel for two years. Then I switched to a private school with students from all over the state. Let me tell you that the Carmel students overall are much higher caliber than the others. Not to mention I played freshman football for Carmel without hearing about any incidents whatsoever.

Paul, Don't confuse my comments on Indiana Ba...

2010-03-02T08:42:31.998-05:00

Paul,

Don't confuse my comments on Indiana Barrister with the person using the "Nick" on this forum.

His comments strike me as very strange.

The bus had adults on it who were supposed to be r...

2010-03-02T08:01:16.091-05:00

The bus had adults on it who were supposed to be responsible for the safety of the students. You cannot tell me that those adults did not know what was going on. They should be on suspension pending a dismissal hearing. Any word on ANY move to hold them responsible?

Nick, What perverted high school did you go to? ...

2010-03-01T21:04:34.621-05:00

Nick,

What perverted high school did you go to? I played varsity sports and I assure you that hazing did not go on at my school.

Towel flipping in the locker room was the worst th...

2010-03-01T18:29:33.783-05:00

Towel flipping in the locker room was the worst thing I can recall happening at my school.

Gary, This is kinda like you never hear of an ass...

2010-03-01T17:55:57.416-05:00

Gary,
This is kinda like you never hear of an assault or rape at a Simon Mall.
Such a selective news media especially the Ryerson Rag

This kind of behavior is indeed common. A friend o...

2010-03-01T17:54:32.239-05:00

This kind of behavior is indeed common. A friend of mine told me that when he played high school basketball, the players would penetrate each other with their fingers while in the locker room. He called it "horse play" and didn't seem to have a problem with it (or even being done to him)...and he was one of those typical tough jocks who made fun of the gay students.

At my high school, there were incidents of hazing, especially of the younger players. I remember hearing stories about how the freshman and sophomore players on the swim team were held down and urinated on by the older players. The coaches knew and didn't care.

Gary, I heard on WIBC that they won't initiate...

2010-03-01T11:33:26.462-05:00

Gary, I heard on WIBC that they won't initiate their own investigation since it happened on buses and in locker rooms at the high school. That doesn't rule out future actions from IHSAA, but I wouldn't bet on it.

I'm surprised the IHSAA has not launched in in...

2010-03-01T10:55:23.501-05:00

I'm surprised the IHSAA has not launched in investigation of the basketball team. You will find many recruiting violations there if you do a little digging.

IndyObserver, "tough?" I wouldn't s...

2010-03-01T09:39:41.781-05:00

IndyObserver, "tough?" I wouldn't say that. I don't think I'm any different than anyone else who played sports at my high school. There is a weird culture at Carmel H.S.

Look at the COVER-UP and failure to charge the RIC...

2010-03-01T08:13:14.034-05:00

Look at the COVER-UP and failure to charge the RICH Hamilton Co teen (family is rich) who shot his own brother in a fit of rage last month!

--Does that tell you what Hamilton Co is about???

Gary you have a good point. Hamilton Co is known ...

2010-03-01T06:10:29.469-05:00

Gary you have a good point. Hamilton Co is known for "making things disappear" in what appears to be a "good old boy" network and/or a "money can fix it" pattern of activity....remember the Hamilton Co drunk driving principal who made a cell phone call while stopped by police and instead of a trip to jail and a breath test, received a courtesy ride home?

Carmel PD has NO VENUE on this one. The alleged acts took place outside of Hamilton Co. If the parents of the victims have want to see justice, they should insist that the State Police take over!!!

If these events took place in Putnam Co, I doubt that Carmel PD would travel the distance to file a charge, or even have a prosecutor review their redacted version of events.

The administration of Carmel better wake up! An ac...

2010-03-01T05:37:50.943-05:00

The administration of Carmel better wake up! An act as humilating and degrading as this could easily cause a kid to go over the edge and retaliate with violent force. Imagine one of these freshman getting hold of a gun or a knife and deciding to get back at one or more of these idiots. The coaches and the principal better have air tight alibis or I agree they all should be fired.

People don't realize that K-12 corporations ca...

2010-03-01T04:32:07.943-05:00

People don't realize that K-12 corporations can be just as corrupt and self-serving as any private corporation. All our private schools are nothing more than private business corporations providing "education" with a government backed monopoly over certain geographic areas. School corporations are way, way too big.

It obvious what happened here, and for all those schools who want to label this stuff as "kids being kids," they really can't sit there with stunned looks upon their faces when some kid brings a gun to school and starts killing fellow students, teachers, and yes, even administrators. I can't believe that after Columbine we still have K-12 admin types who want to bury their head in the sand when it comes to things like this. It seems sports is responsible for all the ills our of K-12 public schools: Budgets, cliques, bullying, etc..

As far as jurisdiction, a police officer in Indiana has jurisdiction anywhere. The Carmel PD could always forward their findings to another county prosecutor and testify in that county. That being said, I am wondering if ISP or another agency isn't investigating as well.

If someone did to me what those seniors (allegedly...

2010-03-01T02:20:20.277-05:00

If someone did to me what those seniors (allegedly) did to those freshmen, there would be consequences for those players down the road when I found one of them alone.

Gee, Paul, you sound really tough!

I just don't get the concept of hazing. I pla...

2010-02-28T23:46:29.654-05:00

I just don't get the concept of hazing. I played high school sports. If someone did to me what those seniors (allegedly) did to those freshmen, there would be consequences for those players down the road when I found one of them alone. I sure wouldn't have used what happened an excuse to do the same thing to innocent. Freshmen when I became a Senior.

Maybe that's why I never pledged a fraternity. The minute they pulled some of that perverted hazing on me, I would have fought back rather than take it. I'm glad that these Freshman didn't want to take what happened to them as okay.

Please correct my recollection if I'm wrong: ...

2010-02-28T20:44:03.709-05:00

Please correct my recollection if I'm wrong: Wasn't there an incident in the (prior?) winter in Carmel in which a student died, initially from an alleged slip on the sidewalk, then finally the story came out about making contact with a school bus? Carmel's not alone with this stuff. Washington Township was not forthcoming with everything when a child was hit by a bus at an elementary school last year. The bus driver contended that the school was warned about the drop-off layout, but was fired or reprimanded after a suppossedly independent investigation. Warren Central has had sexual assault at their school and was not forthcoming.

We need help, legislative or otherwise, to get ALL incidents of interest shared with parents and taxpayers, not just the good news, or their should be consequences. My child trying to bring home the papers only with the good grades seems less onerous now.

It is possible for there to be multiple county jur...

2010-02-28T17:07:32.784-05:00

It is possible for there to be multiple county jurisdiction as this is possibly a conspiracy that began in Hamilton county. The "boys" are nominees for the "Sports Builds Character" awards