tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post3939094309500610482..comments2020-04-11T03:30:02.282-05:00Gary R. Welshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-42093758894113107952008-01-17T15:54:00.000-05:002008-01-17T15:54:00.000-05:00Concern you've just answered your own rebutal, who has Economic and Political power in Indianapolis? Julia Carson, so what does that make her. Wake up pleassssssssss! And the ever so corrupted political machine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-6862955186904524722008-01-17T15:43:00.000-05:002008-01-17T15:43:00.000-05:00To Concerned!<BR/><BR/>You are nuts!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-51030269666074188352008-01-17T15:23:00.000-05:002008-01-17T15:23:00.000-05:00It was observed by some in the local media that Jon Elrod kicked off his campaign with a press conference surrounded by an all-white group of supporters...<BR/><BR/>Response: <BR/><BR/>That will change, they've hired a token, Aveechino Reeves. So, you'll see 1 black face in the future. It's call republican diversity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-42515023198186483662008-01-17T13:43:00.000-05:002008-01-17T13:43:00.000-05:00I have one question. "Where does the late Julia Carsons campaign money goes? Last I've heard she had over 100,000 dollar in her campaign fund? Just wondering.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-30096834974465357092008-01-17T00:14:00.000-05:002008-01-17T00:14:00.000-05:00Jeffrey wrote:<BR/><BR/>"And I think that Julia's record of support for Jewish issues and causes throughout her career will be remembered longer than who spoke at her homegoing---because those achievements are much more important to the constituents that she so admirably served."<BR/><BR/>And those achievements are irrevocably damaged by the presence of that hate-monger.<BR/><BR/>ARAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-56762461584020159222008-01-16T23:35:00.000-05:002008-01-16T23:35:00.000-05:00Dear Angry Republican at 8:46 PM<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your comments. I am glad that someone like you remains in the Republican Party to fight bigotry--and hopefully you will advocate for full equality for LGBT people, too. And while you are at it, you might help out the Mormons, too, because it was awful what has been done to them by some of your party's extremists. <BR/><BR/>And regarding Andre, I am confident that over time the record that he achieves in Congress will nullify the negative feelings that you have at this time. <BR/><BR/>And I think that Julia's record of support for Jewish issues and causes throughout her career will be remembered longer than who spoke at her homegoing---because those achievements are much more important to the constituents that she so admirably served.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-71125163920430867992008-01-16T20:46:00.000-05:002008-01-16T20:46:00.000-05:00Jeffrey,<BR/><BR/>It is true, I think, that my party has a less than admirable record on LBGT issues. It is ironic, I think, that the party of Lincoln, which once was very much about personal responsibility and government staying the hell out of people's lives, isn't so much anymore.<BR/><BR/>I haven't given up on the Republican Party, and moderates are starting to speak up again, which gives me hope for the party.<BR/><BR/>For the record, though I'm not LBGT, I worked very hard in college through our student government to broaden the university's anti-discrimination policies to include sexual orientation. I thought it was wrong (and still do) that any student organization, including religious ones, could deny membership to students. In fact, I was so vocal about it, one member of a religious organization came up to me and said, "I don't know your sexual orientation, but based on your position on this issue, I can guess." I did it, not because it was fair, but because it was right.<BR/><BR/>This was the very issue that made me fall in love with politics, and in part, it's why I teach it. Sometimes one person does make a difference, and that entire debate (which led to my becoming a member of student government) changed the direction of my life.<BR/><BR/>In this case, I just don't think that person is Andre Carson. We'll have to disagree, but his absolute refusal to distance himself from LF is troubling to me.<BR/><BR/>And while Wilson can point out that Andre's web page says:<BR/><BR/>"Discrimination & bigotry should not be tolerated on any level, whether the issue at hand concerns ethnicity, gender, religion or sexual orientation. "<BR/><BR/>that is not a repudiation of LF. And I find that entirely disturbing.<BR/><BR/>Believe me: not all Republicans are anti-Semitic or anti-LBGT (contrary to what Wilson tells you.)<BR/><BR/>ARAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-89712081381213034842008-01-16T20:31:00.000-05:002008-01-16T20:31:00.000-05:00Words on a page, Wilson. When Mr. Carson follows Barack Obama's lead and explicitly dissociates himself from Farrakhan and his bigotry, then the words will become real. I don't know what possessed Mrs. Carson to put her grandson in this position by asking a hateful bigot to speak at her funeral. Perhaps she was not in possession of her full faculties at that difficult time. The fact remains, however, she did, and now Mr. Carson must clarify his relationship to a rabid anti-Semitic separatist bigot who endorsed him. Words on a page don't erase the message of standing together on a stage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-26363497794948735692008-01-16T20:04:00.000-05:002008-01-16T20:04:00.000-05:00from http://www.AndreCarson.com<BR/><BR/><B>We must demand extended protection for human rights. Discrimination & bigotry should not be tolerated on any level, whether the issue at hand concerns ethnicity, gender, religion or sexual orientation. The American way is justice for all - these principles must always be pursued and upheld.</B>Wilson46201https://www.blogger.com/profile/14214029150233485312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-244501903800488582008-01-16T18:43:00.000-05:002008-01-16T18:43:00.000-05:00Let's just step back for a moment and look at this whole situation. <BR/><BR/>Wilson Allen, the number one dumpster diver for the dems, loves to dig through ancient history on all of the people up against "his" candidate. <BR/><BR/>But the topic here is very much a current event. No need to see what might have happened so many years ago, we are talking about the here and now. <BR/><BR/>So, come on Andre, step up or step out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-69949015612553546372008-01-16T18:13:00.000-05:002008-01-16T18:13:00.000-05:00Dear Angry Republican<BR/><BR/>Glad to know you are a landsman!<BR/><BR/>I don't mean to sweep anything under a rug. I am a Democrat and quite bi-partisan but I am also LGBT and your party in many ways is just as hateful to MY people as the Minister is to OUR (Jewish) people...and frankly the presence of the anti-LGBT Governor and Lt. Governor at the funeral was just as unappealing to me as the presence of the Minister--but I certainly would not have been disrespectful and walked out. As they say, a good politician keeps her friends close and her enemies closer!!<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the dialogue... I think it is very constructive and educational.<BR/><BR/>This blog is great, by the way. I am so glad I discovered it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-37477592652281102372008-01-16T17:31:00.000-05:002008-01-16T17:31:00.000-05:00Jeffrey wrote:<BR/>"...uneral doesn't mean Julia Carson didn't love and respect MY people. "<BR/><BR/>They are MY people, too, Jeffrey. As I've pointed out many times, I am Jewish.<BR/><BR/>So, I hope you will understand if *I* find his presence offensive. I also find it patently offensive that some would just sweep his presence under the rug as if it is no big deal. I'm sorry, but I know many of OUR people who were offended, and many of them are Jewish DEMOCRATS (like most of my relatives.)<BR/><BR/>ARAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-62402324713887051732008-01-16T17:24:00.000-05:002008-01-16T17:24:00.000-05:00Dear Angry Republican at 5:06<BR/><BR/>Points well taken:<BR/><BR/>1. I agree that Andre needs to clarify his connection/association to the Minister in the same way he needs to communicate his views on Israel and Jewish issues. Once he does, I think you will feel better about him, whether you vote for him or not.<BR/><BR/>2. I certainly am not a supporter of the Minister either, but simply because he was present at her funeral doesn't mean Julia Carson didn't love and respect MY people. I know that from the personal conversations that we had--in addition she had a Jewish doctor, had many Jewish supporters, supported Rep. Orentlichter in his career, etc etc. Her family received a beautiful letter from the Indianapolis Jewish Community after she passed.<BR/><BR/> But you have the right to your views and perhaps you will understand Julia and Andre's over the course of time. I only ask you to keep an open mind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-9400125076106943042008-01-16T17:13:00.000-05:002008-01-16T17:13:00.000-05:00Dear Anonynmous at 2:27 pm<BR/><BR/>Thanks for responding. What specifically do you mean by "completely false"? I would be happy to elaborate on anything I said. <BR/><BR/>Remember, I can be objective because I don't live in Indianapolis and I have good relations with ALL the people you are blogging about!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-38658923869635896922008-01-16T17:11:00.000-05:002008-01-16T17:11:00.000-05:00Jeffrey Slavin wrote:<BR/>"And, it is totally unfair to bring Andre in all of this."<BR/><BR/>No, it isn't. He is a public official. He is a candidate for office. If it is unfair to talk about his close association with a known anti-Semite and one of the most divisive men in America, then nothing is fair game.<BR/><BR/>On that point, I cannot agree with you.<BR/><BR/>He is a candidate. It is more than fair to question his association with the minister (just as it is fair to question Republican candidates on their associations with things like the KKK [David Duke] or their associations with Bob Jones University, for example.)<BR/><BR/>Jeffrey also said:<BR/>"Julia Carson loved and respected Jewish people..."<BR/><BR/>Really? That was clearly exemplified by the presence of LF at her funeral. <BR/><BR/>ARAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-57817327293807316762008-01-16T17:06:00.000-05:002008-01-16T17:06:00.000-05:00I noticed that someone posting as "Angry Republican" posted something the other day at 7:10 p.m. That was not me (the person who normally posts as Angry Republican). <BR/><BR/>Certainly, AI could verify the IP address of this post to confirm that it is from one of the locations I often post to this blog.<BR/><BR/>ARAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-21015462427161489712008-01-16T16:15:00.000-05:002008-01-16T16:15:00.000-05:00Julia Carson was certainly not a bigot, nor is Andre. However, the words of Dr. King clearly apply here: <BR/><BR/>"One who condones evil is just as guilty as the one who perpetrates it."<BR/><BR/>If you believe anti-Semitism is evil, Louis Farrakhan is evil. <BR/><BR/>Dr. King also said: <BR/><BR/>"We shall have to repent in this generation , not so much for the evil deeds of the wicked people, but for the appalling silence of the good people."<BR/><BR/>At this moment the Carson people are good people who are condoning evil with appalling silence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-36012663629757299592008-01-16T14:30:00.000-05:002008-01-16T14:30:00.000-05:00An anonymous nobody pronounces categorically as "false" something stated by an activist commenter with a name? Does the anonymous nobody care to document the falsities or are we to take the reputation of the anonymous nobody as sufficient authority?<BR/><BR/>What a doofus!!!Wilson46201https://www.blogger.com/profile/14214029150233485312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-215782395867869232008-01-16T14:27:00.000-05:002008-01-16T14:27:00.000-05:00Interesting spin Jeffrey but completely falseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-76132155959527717182008-01-16T12:37:00.000-05:002008-01-16T12:37:00.000-05:00Please stop this insanity.<BR/><BR/>My name is Jeffrey Slavin. I am Jewish and LGBT and was a close personal friend of Julia Carson. I spoke to her on a daily basis for over a decade AND I spoke at her public memorial service.<BR/><BR/>Julia Carson loved and respected Jewish people and had a pro-Jewish , pro-Israel voting record. But she also got along with everyone from the right to the left. I don't think this should be held against her. <BR/><BR/>Yes, The Minister spoke at her funeral, but so did the Republican Governor, Republican Lt. Governor and the Republican Senator. She worked well with all these people on behalf of her constituents---but that doesn't mean that she shared their policital or personal views!<BR/><BR/>And, it is totally unfair to bring Andre in all of this.<BR/><BR/>I know Andre and he has the same love and respect for the Jewish people that his grandmother had!<BR/>I am living proof of that, too.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for listening.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-30267752002146632392008-01-16T10:39:00.000-05:002008-01-16T10:39:00.000-05:00If I were Andre I would not be running for Congress.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-91225237086114047132008-01-16T10:25:00.000-05:002008-01-16T10:25:00.000-05:00If I were Andre, the very first thing I would do is tell Wilson to keep his mouth shut!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-38765174346280241142008-01-16T10:06:00.000-05:002008-01-16T10:06:00.000-05:00It appears that Wilson Allen has taken on the role of being the Joseph Goebbels of the Andre Carson campaign.<BR/>Nothing but hate and calculated disinformation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-78746454053089243642008-01-16T10:02:00.000-05:002008-01-16T10:02:00.000-05:00The true telling was when Erin Rosenberg stated to blogger Ruth Holladay that Andre Carson was an<BR/>Orthodox Universal Secular Muslim. There is no such thing as a OUSM!<BR/><BR/>Erin Rosenberg is Jewish. She is also Andre's campaign Treasurer. Many speculate that Erin is simply be used as means not only to attract Jewish money into Andre's campaign but also to deflect any allegations of the Carson's family involvement with the Nation of Islam, specifically Andre Carson.<BR/>Erin needs to seriously rethink her involvement in this campaign for obvious reasons.<BR/><BR/>Andre lied about who invited Farrakhan to his grandmother's funeral. Andre worked the invitation to Farrakhan thru Minister Luri Muhammad of Indianapolis Mosque 74 Nation of Islam. Muhammad has publicly stated the he and his fellow Indianapolis Black Muslims will support Andre. For Muhammad's support, Andre allowed Farrakhan to speak at the funeral service. Both Farrakhan and Muhammad were seated next to each other on the front row of the funeral service.<BR/><BR/>To verify this you can contact Luri Muhammad at Nation of Islam Mosque 74.<BR/><BR/>What Andre did was make a deal with the devil to gain Luri Muhammad's suppport which was akin to a white candidate do the same thing with a white supremacist to gain their support.<BR/><BR/>Andre made a very serious political mistake. Erin Rosenberg should hand in her resignation if she expects to safe face as well as her career.<BR/><BR/>Neither myself or fellow followers of the Jewish faith will support this type of candidate from either political party.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-79718697257156830462008-01-16T09:07:00.000-05:002008-01-16T09:07:00.000-05:00While I believe Andre Carson when he says that he is not a member of the NOI, I also I believe that anyone who shares the stage with Farrakhan has the obligation to disassociate himself from Farrakhan. <BR/><BR/><BR/>From the Nation of Islam website http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_4292.shtml<BR/><BR/>"The term ‘Jew’ is not exclusively limited to describing a people who call themselves ‘Jews.’This term also describes a certain orientation of the mind and spirit. While the person may not be a ‘Jew’ in the religious sense, a person may be that by definition of his or her thinking and planned action(s) against the Apostle of God."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com