Comments on Advance Indiana™: Beth White: It Gets Worse

I dont think that people should just up and leave ...

2007-05-21T09:03:00.000-05:00

I dont think that people should just up and leave this "world Class City," as mayor bart petersone calls it. maybe we should look into the employees under beth white and how grossly underemplyed here employees are. I know of people who applied for positions in her office and they were turned down when they have masters degree for people wiht high school diplomas. World Class City nothing.

5:48, maybe those things weren't mtnioned on May 7...

2007-05-13T05:42:00.000-05:00

5:48, maybe those things weren't mtnioned on May 7, but for at least nine successive legislative sessions, voting reform laws have bene introduced, which would open up nd simplify the process. Senate Republicans killed it every time.

Still not sure what they're afraid of.

And what's with the Arabic translation nonsense? Why don't you just do what most Democrats do, and ignore Wilson? He's really kinda harmless...

"Heads up! It seems the Star is doing an in-depth,...

2007-05-13T05:39:00.000-05:00

"Heads up! It seems the Star is doing an in-depth, well-researched story for the Sunday edition. As Rex Early would say, it's a mighty thin pancake that doesnt have two sides"
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I read the article, and it pretty much confirms opinions held by everyone except you, Wilson. Your clerk fucked up, ran on a platform of being able to do the job without assistance, and in fact had plenty of advance notice of the debacle, and yet still did not try and get help. She shouldnt be given the opportunity to resign; she should be federally indicted.

She would have been better off had you slipped something into the chocolate you got her, after this gets through the court system.

'2-sided pancake', indeed. Shameful!

It's just ironic that you use an arabic word, Wils...

2007-05-12T20:42:00.001-05:00

It's just ironic that you use an arabic word, Wilson. Arabs kill self-proclaimed homosexuals.

"Algebra" is an Arabic word -- perhaps you should ...

2007-05-12T20:42:00.000-05:00

"Algebra" is an Arabic word -- perhaps you should investigate whether Hoosier high schools are secretly terrorist training camps? Alcohol is also Arabic -- you'd better check out Brad's Gold Flamingo to see if the demoiselles are suicide bombers?

Only a frightened and scared Hoosier would think t...

2007-05-12T20:27:00.000-05:00

Only a frightened and scared Hoosier would think that the very common and universal Arabic phrase inshallah (God willing) has anything in particular to do with Wahabism or terrorism. The evil men of the Spanish Inquisition also used the phrase "Vaya con Dios" but that doesnt mean everybody who uses it is a Jesuitical torturer.

It's only through ignorance that scared Hoosiers think inshallah has anything to do with terrorism. Next you'll be telling me that vodka is some secret Communist code word and sauerkraut indicates sympathy for Heinrich Himmler and the S.S. ?

Those who realize that the arabic term Inshallah i...

2007-05-12T20:18:00.000-05:00

Those who realize that the arabic term Inshallah is in fact a word that terrorists use, are not ignorant, and xenophobia isn't appropriate, as most Americans realize the wa'habi-ist sect of muslams are in fact enemies of our country. Words actually do have meaning, Wilson. I think 'deflection' is your most favorite; it certainly is the most prevalent trait you show..again and again.

Nazis also used Gesundheit when somebody sneezed -...

2007-05-12T19:14:00.000-05:00

Nazis also used Gesundheit when somebody sneezed -- only ignorant and xenophobic Hoosiers get alarmed when educated folk use foreign phrases. Comprende?

Also, it seems odd that a die-hard partisan Democr...

2007-05-12T19:03:00.000-05:00

Also, it seems odd that a die-hard partisan Democrat like WIlson would use a phrase, 'Inshallah' that terrorists who are killing Americans, would use.

Or maybe not so odd..

To echo 5:48pm, HERE is what the Democrats, by way...

2007-05-12T19:01:00.000-05:00

To echo 5:48pm, HERE is what the Democrats, by way of their elected leader in charge of the vote, had to say:

May 7, 2007 04:48 PM EDT

As absentee voting wrapped up Monday morning the new Marion County Clerk, Democrat Beth White, predicted a smooth election.

"I feel like the inspectors are better prepared than they have ever been," she said.

A year ago problems with the programming of some voting machines led to uncounted ballots and concerns about some election results.

Ballot boxes are already on location at 917 precincts. But there are still questions about whether enough poll workers will show up.

"Beth White has set the standard for her job at perfection and I think the Democratic party for years has set the standard at perfection," Walker said.

And while Republicans may seek political advantage, White's reputation is on the line.

"I'm feeling cautiously optimistic that we'll have a pretty trouble free day tomorrow," she said.

Hmmmm.....
I dont notice anything such as "too many precincts, too much apathy, ridiculously laborious voting processes, legislative inaction" and so forth..

Yup. Definitely hypocrisy among Democrats, one and all, not to mention arrogance (unearned) and much like a kid who grabs hold of a lions' tail and screams "Now what??!!"

"Here's hoping we can get to the root of the probl...

2007-05-12T17:48:00.000-05:00

"Here's hoping we can get to the root of the problem, which isn't political at all: too many precincts, too much apathy (both sides of the aisle), ridiculously laborious voting processes, and decades of legislative (in)action, which has supressed voter turnout, purposely.

There's no earthly reason we can't vote at 100-200 spots. It won't drastically reduce the need for workers, because there will need to be bigger venues with multiple machines. But it will help. Reducing precincts is step one. No voters will have to travel much further if the spots are strategically chosen.

Multiple other jurisdictions are experimenting with, or have already implemented, many programs which will expand voter participation. Indiana remains in the 1950s. "

Blah blah blah. No one heard you or your party moan about the things you mention here, on Monday, May 7th, now did we?
No, it only becomes a 'what can we do to make this better' process when one of Your party is at the wheel. The Republicans ala Doris said the same problems existed, yet all you Dems did was call Her incompetant. LOL such hypocritical bastads you all are.

5:19, if you read the post I made at 2:07, you'll ...

2007-05-12T17:40:00.000-05:00

5:19, if you read the post I made at 2:07, you'll see that your argument is, well, full of crap.

Mistakes were made, admitted, and we're on to find the fix.

The clerk's screwups are fodder for Republican jabs. That's fine, for awhile. That's even fair. Calls for her resignation are ridiculous. Her next big job, which is huge given the screwups, is canvass and certify. I'm betting they're working all weekend to get that done by Tuesday.

The disenfranchisement which occured Tues. is regretable, and should never happen. I'm going to work hard to make sure it doesn't.
What are YOU going to do?

Again, as pointed out earlier, this clerk has not yet sent the County into court to defend ridiculous partisan and obviously wrong decisions. And she'd better never do that. Her predecessors did it wiith wanton abandon: Mowery, Sadler, Gohmann, et al...thank God they're gone.

Here's hoping we can get to the root of the problem, which isn't political at all: too many precincts, too much apathy (both sides of the aisle), ridiculously laborious voting processes, and decades of legislative (in)action, which has supressed voter turnout, purposely.

There's no earthly reason we can't vote at 100-200 spots. It won't drastically reduce the need for workers, because there will need to be bigger venues with multiple machines. But it will help. Reducing precincts is step one. No voters will have to travel much further if the spots are strategically chosen.

Multiple other jurisdictions are experimenting with, or have already implemented, many programs which will expand voter participation. Indiana remains in the 1950s.

The only major change we've made to the process in Rokita's Voter ID law. Could we muster that righteous indignation and effort, and point it toward meaningly legislation to make it easier to vote?

We spent all this time on that ridiculous law in the last two years, and ignored the need for true vote process reform. What is the Senate majority (where reforms always die) afraid of?

The Democrat Party mantra when a Republican clerk ...

2007-05-12T17:19:00.000-05:00

The Democrat Party mantra when a Republican clerk has mistakes which occur on her watch: DISENFRANCHISEMENT! CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS!! JIM CROW POLITICS! GIVE US YOUR POOR, DOWNTRODDEN SO THAT {WE THE PEOPLE} CAN WORK AND BE IN CHARGE OF THAT MOST BASIC FUNDAMENTAL AMERICAN RIGHT: TO VOTE!!

THe Democrat Party mantra when a Democrat clerk arrogantly runs on a platform of ease of election, is totally unorganized, and does in fact disenfranchise thousands of voters:
"SHIT HAPPENS, DEAL WITH IT"

You Dems who are trying to soft-soap the failure of your party officials: STFU, or admit your clerk ran an incompetant, civl-rights violating election.
Those of you who voted for her: You got served. How does it taste? LIke shit, as in 'ehhh shit happens?' No wonder your party is headed by hypocrites. At least you share their character traits, so you are consistant, at least.

Just in from a gorgeous day outside, and this crap...

2007-05-12T14:07:00.000-05:00

Just in from a gorgeous day outside, and this crap continues.

I'm a Democrat, very embarrassed at Tuesday's showing. I worked my precinct polling place. We had 34 voters. Including the six who worked the precinct. About 5.5%. We played cards, read books, and tried to stay awake.

That being said, the clerk needs to rely only on her own instincts and efforts. The party apparatus let her down big-time. It's overly-dominated by Center Townshio lazy-ass fools, and they don't shed any political blood when an election gets effed up. To be urban about it: they 'got no skin in the game. They screw up, don't show up--no big deal. Their area's council members get re-elected. This fall, the mayor's likely to coast, so if he drops a few hundreds votes in Center, because of late or no-show precincts, big deal. He still wins. That's their attitude--I have heard them express as much myself. And this is not new--it's an old, tired game.

Beth's a smart cookie...I sense she won't let this happen again. In my 25-or-so years in election work, there have been multiple minor screw-ups every election. Nothing this big, to be certain, but with this many precincts, there are so many opportunities for nonsense.

No-show inspectors are almost a wait-and-see problem. You cannot predict who'll show and who'll not show. Once the problem became apparent, it was 8-9 a.m., and the train was rolling down the hill.

For my money, ANY inspector who attended training and did not show up, should be banned forever from working the polls. Absent a good excuse. With 900-plus precincts, there can be the occasional illness, family death, etc., at the last minute. But not 150 of them.

And it bears repeating: voters were disenfranchised, which is completely unacceptable, BUT this clerk has yet to spend almost a million dollars defending defenseless partisan positions in court. That alone separates her from the last clerk. So no one owes Doris Ann any apologies--apart from the administration of elections, she effed up on multiple fronts. And cost us big time.

But this apology is owed, to 900 plus inspectors in past elections: I am genuinely sorry I under-estimated your task. Your past work is appreciated.

Now can we get to the important business? Which is tackling these problems and making sure they don't happen again.

The haters in here get weirder and weirder -- only...

2007-05-12T11:37:00.000-05:00

The haters in here get weirder and weirder -- only a seriously deranged and hurting person would come up with such a repugnant comment as above! I usually assume folk here are reasonable and rational human beings -- sadly, there seem to be some suffering souls projecting their disturbed fantasies onto others...

Wilson? I feel sorry for you. I've read enough o...

2007-05-12T11:27:00.000-05:00

Wilson? I feel sorry for you. I've read enough of your offerings to realize that you are a bitter old man who is very lonely, with no one to share the joys of life. Thats sad, but the question is were you like this always or as you have grown older? Have you ever considered suicide? I'm sure you have, at night..with the city noises in the background, you by yourself.

Just the Facts !!! Beth White is taking the hit fo...

2007-05-12T10:53:00.000-05:00

Just the Facts !!! Beth White is taking the hit for Democratic Chairman Mike O'Conner. The party in control (Democratic Sec. of State candidate won Marion County last year) is responsible for getting the Inspectors and turning over the list to the county clerk. The Marion County Democrat Party staff person responsible for getting the Inspectors dropped the ball and on friday before the election left town for a trip to Chicago without completing her job of securing 917 Inspectors and Mike O'Conner is where the buck stops because she works for him. Beth White's hands were tied waiting and trusting on the party to secure and hand over the list of democrat poll workers. This never would happen on Ed Treacy's watch. Enough Said.

The average turnout per precinct this primary was ...

2007-05-12T10:35:00.000-05:00

The average turnout per precinct this primary was 48. With five polls not opening, that's about 240 likely voters that could not vote on Tuesday. That's not good but it's not THOUSANDS.

I am also amused at the hysterical poster that claims its poor English was just a trap for me -- nah, it's par for the course for a porcine Tech HS dropout.

LOL Actually I admit I mis-spelled the word 'deny'...

2007-05-12T10:27:00.000-05:00

LOL Actually I admit I mis-spelled the word 'deny'..just to see if you would comment on that and not the content of the post. You bit on it like a carp on a june-bug.

Which again, is atypical of Wilson and most of the Dem faithful. They see politics as a battle to be won at all costs, in terms of lambasting the Republicans for any given excuse, and scream pithy little epithets such as "DISENFRANCHISEMENT! CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATION! SADLER SHOULD BE IN JAIL!" et sic ad nauseum.

Yet, all the Democrat party really has to offer is "We're better than the Republicans. We Care about you..big business does not, the elephant is a great symbol of the bloated capitalism that care Nothing about you and is only interested in lining its own pockets. Vote for US, and we'll take care of you from womb to tomb. And we will take Great strides to make sure that we can do ANY political job more efficiently than those self-involved Republicans".

Sadly enough, a lot of people buy that.

Of course, when Democrats Are elected, they fuck things up worse than Channel 4. And you have the party faithful like Wilson.

Wilson, you remind me of a clown that an insurance company hires and who shows up at the scene of a fatal accident. As the carnage unfolds, and the scene gets more gory, instead of blaming the guy/gal at the wheel, you know, Your client..your attempts to divert attention from the responsibility of said accident increase, shrieking that its the fault of the automobile manufacturer (Republicans), etc, etc. Again, a party for those who have a low level of ego, or inferiority complex, if you will..of course, You yourself advocated earlier that the standard for accuracy at 98.55% is acceptable.

I've already contacted the feds, and CNN, FOX, Rev Jackson, and Rev. Sharpton.

It will be of interest if they follow up on these REAL Civil Rights violations and Disenfranchisement, instead of the ones that the feminine Ed Treacy screeched about that were non-existent.

Although the disaster that was election day cannot...

2007-05-12T10:18:00.000-05:00

Although the disaster that was election day cannot be excused, anyone with any sense knows that your "thousands of people were disenfranchised" bit of indignation is more than likely false. Sure, thousands might have been eligible, but turnout was extraordinarily low. I was an inspector and had 29 people and 1 absentee ballot for the entire day. I opened on time, then sat there reading a book most of the day.

For the record, the only poll workers whose presen...

2007-05-12T10:15:00.000-05:00

For the record, the only poll workers whose presence is mandatory it the position of inspector. If the republican clerk and judge didn't show up, it is the job of the inspector to preform those jobs. It is a legal requirement of the inspector. Democrats couldn't find enough people to train (if there actually enough democrats capable of be trained, I don't know) the and find the inspectors. The idea that 150 republicans didn't show up is idiotic. Why would White campaign on what a lousy job the republicans did running the elections and then turn around and reuse the same people? White should show some class, admit and apologize to Sadler for the over the top attacks, and, resign. Period.

Stay on topic and stop attacked fellow posters, Wi...

2007-05-12T10:14:00.000-05:00

Stay on topic and stop attacked fellow posters, Wilson... isn't that a comment post of yours that you can just cut and paste now, having decried that line so many times?

Idiot.

"Admit nothing and Denie Denie Denie on any issue ...

2007-05-12T10:08:00.000-05:00

"Admit nothing and Denie Denie Denie on any issue that reflects horribly or criminally on the Democrat party."

It looks like some illiterate anonymous nobody forgot how to turn on its spellchecker...

Marion County Democratic Chairman Mike O'Conner ha...

2007-05-12T10:01:00.000-05:00

Marion County Democratic Chairman Mike O'Conner has been very very quiet regarding this entire debacle. But he's a first time Chairman just as White is a first time Clerk so that may explain it.

I'm still trying to figure out just exactly how and why 3 of the 5 polling places that never opened were in heavily Democratic Center Township. Appears that the Machine has thrown a rod thru the engine block.

BTW, How is that the Golden Ace Tavern on East Washington Street was open and serving drinks to Democratic Chairman O'Conner and cohorts during election hours on Tuesday??? Didn't think we knew that did you Mike.

"So we now know, Wilson, you don't give a damn abo...

2007-05-12T09:55:00.000-05:00

"So we now know, Wilson, you don't give a damn about the right to vote unless it advances the partisan interests of the Democratic Party. The hypocrisy of all you Dems yelling and screaming about the supposed injustice created by the Voter ID law while turning a blind eye to what happend on Tuesday is breathtaking. "

It was worth repeating. The facts are simple: Wilson is a Hillary-type Democrat. Admit nothing and Denie Denie Denie on any issue that reflects horribly or criminally on the Democrat party.

Looks like an inferiority complex to me.