Comments on Advance Indiana™: ACLU Sues Over "In God We Trust" Plate

SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE AT ALL TIMES. IT IS...

2008-03-11T09:00:00.000-05:00

SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE AT ALL TIMES. IT IS THE LAW.

Our country's motto is "In God We Trust". If you ...

2008-02-05T08:50:00.000-05:00

Our country's motto is "In God We Trust". If you don't agree with that, leave.

I wish I still lived in Indiana so that as a taxpa...

2007-10-18T23:52:00.000-05:00

I wish I still lived in Indiana so that as a taxpayer I could sue the state myself. Join the Freedom From Religion Foundation at ffrf.org

I'M GLAD THAT THE ACLU IS PURSUING THE LICENSE PLA...

2007-04-27T20:49:00.000-05:00

I'M GLAD THAT THE ACLU IS PURSUING THE LICENSE PLATE ISSUE. AS A VETERAN I FIND IT SAD THAT I MUST PAY EXTRA MONEY TO SHOW HOW PROUD I AM OF BEING A VET WHILE PEOPLE CAN PURCHASE THE IGWT PLATE AT NO EXTRA COST. I'LL GLADLY PAY FOR MINE BUT I HOPE THE STATE LOSES THIS TIME.

It's about both, 10:19, but your point is well-tak...

2007-04-24T12:06:00.000-05:00

It's about both, 10:19, but your point is well-taken.

The deficit for these extra plates is likely taken from the general fund. Which has to be made up somehow.

Plus, the state should just stay away from religion. Period. Our Constitutions demand it. Condone it, allow it to flourish, etc. But do not sponsor it.

Woody Burton isn't too bright, but the bill to sponsor these plates, should've been called the Hateful Right Wing Lawyers' Full Employment Act, or, the Eric Miller Pension Fund, in short.

Whatever happens in court, and it won't likely be soon, this bruhaha will be used as fodder for those folks for years.

You heard the other side of this in the SJR7 debate: "we must take power away from activist judges." "We used to be able to pray in this chamber, and now we can't because of an activist judge."

An activist federal judge, well-schooled in the Constitution, Eric and Micah. Who ruled properly.

Thick heads fill easily with garbage.

Why does the state of Indiana need to pay over $6 ...

2007-04-24T10:19:00.000-05:00

Why does the state of Indiana need to pay over $6 million out of the highway fund so this plate can be free to you? That's the question.

How many charitable plates-- you know, for children's funds, health charities, veteran's cars, universities-- are not being bought, because this plate is free?

It's not just that religion and state should be separated -- this was a bone headed FINANCIAL move.

Since it's so popular, what kinda windfall-- say for Hoosier healthcare -- coulda been raised by just charging the same amount as the regular special plates? 500,000 x $15 = $7.5 million!!

It's not about shoving your religion or your patriotism in my face. It's about common sense!

"your candidate lost - I helped -"Get over yoursel...

2007-04-23T21:04:00.000-05:00

"your candidate lost - I helped -"
Get over yourself already.
I've talked to loyal democrats...mention Wilson Allen and faces contort. Most think you’re a joke. We agree.

Knew you would take the bait.

Just paint over the In God We Trust, then you can ...

2007-04-23T20:12:00.000-05:00

Just paint over the In God We Trust, then you can express your own creativity and philosophy. A pentagram would look pretty cool in that space.

Rick, Darla & Ernie: your candidate lost - I help...

2007-04-23T19:58:00.000-05:00

Rick, Darla & Ernie: your candidate lost - I helped - now get over it! No wonder you're called "The Sorest Losers of 2006".

5 of 27 comments are Wilson's. Again he takes over...

2007-04-23T19:39:00.000-05:00

5 of 27 comments are Wilson's. Again he takes over another's blog.
Wilson if you dislike the plate so much, don't buy one...opps I forgot, Wilson rides the Indygo.
I don't think you’ll find the plate on a bus Wilson ...so give it a rest will ya?

The ineffable name of deity.Brother Woody knew bet...

2007-04-23T19:15:00.000-05:00

The ineffable name of deity.Brother Woody knew better than to bang the drum for such a plate in the first place.
Are you traveling Wilson46201?

The ineffable name of deity.Brother Woody knew bet...

2007-04-23T19:14:00.000-05:00

The ineffable name of deity.Brother Woody knew better than to bang the drum for such a plate in the first place.
Are you traveling Wilson46201?

Anon 4:52-That's quite an elaborate way of saying ...

2007-04-23T18:32:00.000-05:00

Anon 4:52-

That's quite an elaborate way of saying "No true Scotsman. . ."

This thread is to be a discussion of the separatio...

2007-04-23T18:28:00.000-05:00

This thread is to be a discussion of the separation of Church and State in Indiana but the hateful anonymous nobodies are busily trying to pervert the thread into a discussion of their own particular bete noir.

As AdvanceIndiana becomes more important, the more we will find agents provocateurs trying to make civilized discussion impossible in here. It's an old tactic of the reactionaries...

2007-04-23T18:20:00.000-05:00

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You know, Wilson, there are some anonymous posts h...

2007-04-23T18:11:00.000-05:00

You know, Wilson, there are some anonymous posts here that aren't always that smart or nice. But whenver we see your name, we know without even reading that it is likely to be both stupid and vile.

So what's your point?

It's a pity that some anonymous nobodies come her...

2007-04-23T17:19:00.000-05:00

It's a pity that some anonymous nobodies come here to berate other commenters instead of contributing intelligent discussion to the subject of the thread...

Jibes, attacks and insults seem to be their stock-in-trade instead of witty repartee or informed commentary.

I just got off the phone with the most Orthodox Je...

2007-04-23T16:52:00.000-05:00

I just got off the phone with the most Orthodox Jew I know. Great guy. Belongs to the most-conservative temple in town. He is the equivalent of an elder in that congregation, or was--I think his term just ended. We have had endless (friendly) religious debates for over two decades.

He says this "g*d" thing is nonsense. He refused to use the term "old wives' tale," because some congregations may practice it, he said, but it has no spiritual base in any religious teachings and hasn't been practiced hardly at all in a long, long time. Wikipedia be damned...

Just sayin'.

It's an Orthodox thing, and I wouldn't understand? How freaking flippant can you get? Try not to be so condescending, Wilson. You're not that smart in the first place, so in the end, it just looks silly.

anonymous:"It's not the plate that is such a "huge...

2007-04-23T16:08:00.000-05:00

anonymous:
"It's not the plate that is such a "huge" victory. It's the fact that ACLU was not even willing to put up a fight on an issue involving Christianity. That truly IS a "HUGE" victory."

As long as you think so. The ACLU works in mysterious ways.

Wilson's right: many orthodox, reform, and conser...

2007-04-23T15:59:00.000-05:00

Wilson's right: many orthodox, reform, and conservative Jews do not fully spell or utter the word G-d. Thus, the offense of destroying the piece of paper, or license plate, bearing the name, couldn't be committed.

But that aside: we should all rejoice and thank the ACLU for taking this state government on yet again, so that we all may fully realize our First Amendment freedoms.

It's not the plate that is such a "huge" victory. ...

2007-04-23T15:57:00.000-05:00

It's not the plate that is such a "huge" victory. It's the fact that ACLU was not even willing to put up a fight on an issue involving Christianity. That truly IS a "HUGE" victory.

"Most Orthodox Jews, and many Jews of other denomi...

2007-04-23T15:55:00.000-05:00

"Most Orthodox Jews, and many Jews of other denominations, believe it wrong to write the word "God" on any substance which can be destroyed. Therefore, they will write "G-d" or "Gd" as what they consider a more respectful symbolic representation."

Source: Wikipedia

It's an Orthodox Jewish thing -- you wouldn't unde...

2007-04-23T15:48:00.000-05:00

It's an Orthodox Jewish thing -- you wouldn't understand!

That's pretty hilarious coming from Wilson. Did y...

2007-04-23T15:41:00.000-05:00

That's pretty hilarious coming from Wilson. Did you find God, or what?

Wilson, where DO you get these things?Half my frie...

2007-04-23T15:40:00.000-05:00

Wilson, where DO you get these things?

Half my friends are Jewish, and none knows of any prohibition against spelling out the word "God."

The discriminatory issuance of this plate vs. other vanity plates is the issue. No more,no less.

Try not to read too much into the ICLU's verbiage. The fact they filed it this quickly is amazing.

It has strong merit and should prevail.

I'd argue, the state shouldn't issue it AT ALL, regardless of the fee. My Christian faith can withstand the lack of license tag billboards just fine, thank you very much.

Our Constitution demands the state not sanction any religion.

No-charge plates that promote my God, however predominant His followers are, are exactly what our Constitution prohibits. How much clearer do you need to have it? Your desire to see our God on a tag is your right, but, that's where courts come in. They stop this kind of silliness.

And now, when the plate is jerked, Eric Miller, Jay Sekulow, Micah CLark et al will have something to rail against. And raise money to "fight." Something they never should've had in the first place.

Forgive them, Father, they know not what they do.