Comments on Advance Indiana™: Police Body Camera Used As Evidence To Indict Cincinnati Police Officer On Murder Charge

Since when is a state-funded government university...

2015-08-01T16:06:28.035-05:00

Since when is a state-funded government university not a government actor, Lam?

Why is modernity so close to Indianapolis in Cincinnati, Cleveland and Chicago, but Indianapolis is still a Good Ole Boy, Deep-South, rights-hating, power-abusing backwater?

Why do people here take this level of crap off cops?

I'm glad the prosecutor called it a chickens%%...

2015-08-01T16:03:20.919-05:00

I'm glad the prosecutor called it a chickens%%t stop. It's about time people started being honest about these cops' attacks on America. We need to stop police from wasting taxpayer time and dollars by thinking they can just pull a chickens%%t stop just because something is in a statute. Lots of things are so-called "laws," but you don't get to hold up your boss or steal money from your boss by "enforcing" chickens%%t rules.

Get back to doing real work, cops. Stop the chickens%%t stops, and you won't get yourselves in trouble.

I recall an incident similar to the one in Cincinn...

2015-08-01T06:40:15.755-05:00

I recall an incident similar to the one in Cincinnati maybe 40 years ago when an IPD officer was directing traffic at Monument Circle.

I'm not an attorney, but why are prosecutors q...

2015-07-30T17:21:15.411-05:00

I'm not an attorney, but why are prosecutors quick to jump to murder vs manslaughter ? Even if it is second degree murder, where's the malice aforethought ? It was a traffic stop, granted the victim was uncooperative, but I'm not sure if that would be suffice to meet that definition vs. voluntary manslaughter.

Not Shocked - am in agreement with the grand jury....

2015-07-30T17:20:41.076-05:00

Not Shocked - am in agreement with the grand jury.

The family already has hired an attorney. A wrongf...

2015-07-30T16:39:59.646-05:00

The family already has hired an attorney. A wrongful death lawsuit will be filed, and I would fully expect the university to quickly settle it for at least several million dollars.

QUESTION: Can the DuBose family file a Section 19...

2015-07-30T16:22:30.766-05:00

QUESTION: Can the DuBose family file a Section 1983 claim against Univ. of Cincinnati? There's obviously a wrongful death suit coming, but I wonder -- since Officer Tensing had police powers & was ostensibly acting under color of law -- whether a Section 1983 claim is available even though UC is not a government body.

The bottle of gin sealed the deal.

2015-07-30T15:01:17.267-05:00

The bottle of gin sealed the deal.

What on earth was he thinking .

2015-07-30T14:33:38.410-05:00

What on earth was he thinking .

i've supported the cops in nearly all of the r...

2015-07-30T13:32:07.724-05:00

i've supported the cops in nearly all of the recent high profile incidents, and still do. i have no doubt with video i still would. however, the cop in this video panicked, as many inexperienced cops do, and he should be sent to prison. the victim was in the wrong by not allowing cop to open door, but using that excuse to excuse the cops actions isn't right either. the cop needs to serve time and never again be allowed to carry a weapon.

Let me add that I think the prosecutor will have a...

2015-07-30T07:49:16.649-05:00

Let me add that I think the prosecutor will have a difficult task in getting a conviction of the officer, primarily because Ohio law didn't allow him to file a homicide charge requiring less than an intentional killing act.

The officer's left arm only appeared to grab t...

2015-07-30T07:42:43.142-05:00

The officer's left arm only appeared to grab the victim's safety belt. It was not inside the vehicle far enough to reach the driver's gear shift console. The victim's hand appears to be on the gear console at that point.

A person can believe the victim here was wrong in ...

2015-07-30T07:38:44.844-05:00

A person can believe the victim here was wrong in refusing the officer's request to step out of the car and also agreed the officer was wrong to use deadly force to stop him from driving away. If the victim had been using his car as a weapon against the officer, he would have been justified in shooting him. For example, if the officer's arm actually became entangled in the victim's safety belt and he was being dragged down the street as he claimed, he would have been justified in shooting him. The problem here is the video seems to show the police officer had already used deadly force before the vehicle became a danger to him. It appears the victim's foot reflexively accelerated the car after he was shot, at which point the officer was dragged a short distance. Even the controversial former LAPD officer Mark Fuhrman agreed the police officer was in the wrong here. What we can't see in the photo is the actual point the officer drew his weapon. That may have been why the victim panicked. He may have seen the officer draw the weapon when he tried to open his door and feared he was going to be shot.

Gary, when you did the frame by frame, could you d...

2015-07-30T07:34:02.855-05:00

Gary, when you did the frame by frame, could you determine how the vehicle was put in gear? (the officers arm or the subjects own actions?)

Many of these incidents seem to be the results of continuing to poke the bear. Just like 10:07 wanting to burn Indy down and 2:18's 1% attitude. Poke - Poke !!

Like I said, I don't know what the Mack Long v...

2015-07-30T06:51:05.050-05:00

Like I said, I don't know what the Mack Long video showed because it was so heavily edited. The prosecutor did not release an original copy of the video. What we saw was a recording of the heavily edited version IMPD played at its press conference. The first police officer had already shot the fleeing man once before the second police officer wearing a body camera arrived and pumped two bullets in him, killing him instantly. We can't see what the second officer saw when he fired those two shots. What is clear is that Long was at least a good six to seven feet away from the second officer when the camera is refocused following the second shooting. No version of the bystander's version was ever released in any form to the public, and our local media was just fine with that. With the video the Hamilton Co. Prosecutor released, I can advance the video frame by frame and get a pretty good picture of what occurred. You can't do that with the Mack Long video. If the grand jury had bought what this police officer was recorded saying as he fired the fatal shot, it would have never indicted him.

I was taught to obey a policeman. If he tells you...

2015-07-30T06:46:08.696-05:00

I was taught to obey a policeman. If he tells you to stop. Stop. If he asks for something. Give it to him. If he tells you to get out of the car, or to be quiet. Then do it without argument. This is the way we were raised in Bloomington. Today, in the inner city, it seems that no one is taught these lessons. I was shocked to find out how many people flee when a police car turns on their lights to stop them. I was taught to pull over immediately. I would never argue with a policeman in the exercise of his duties. I think people who do argue immediately set off the situation, put the cop ill at ease, and make him believe something is afoot or dangerous. I have viewed this video. The man tries to pull his door back shut when the officer tries to open it. He tries to drive away. He doesn’t produce his identification. His car didn’t have a front plate. The cop felt nervous, and for good reason. If the black community fails to teach their children how to interact with police, then these situations will arise over and over. Dubose should never have gotten behind the wheel of a car without a valid plate and without his license on him. When he was stopped he didn’t behave normally. And when he tried to drive off he must have expected trouble, even gunfire. In a million years I would never run from a policeman, and if I did I would expect he would shoot at me to stop me. I just think people fail to learn these lessons in the home and at church and at school and so these situations end badly over and over. I would never indict this police officer. I blame the deceased. And if I were on the jury I would vote to acquit the cop, who was just doing his job. If you run from the police you expect to be shot.

"To serve and protect" the 1% - all othe...

2015-07-30T02:18:58.679-05:00

"To serve and protect" the 1% - all others are murdered or imprisoned with impunity. This is why the Government Occupation Force should be disarmed. The People should rise up against the occupation forces.

Annon 10:07 "We need the Mack Long body camer...

2015-07-29T23:38:42.099-05:00

Annon 10:07 "We need the Mack Long body camera video released so we can burn Indy down." When you start burning Indy down please start at 30th and Sherman and work your way Northeast to 42nd and Post.

Gary did you have the video turned up while watchi...

2015-07-29T23:36:00.844-05:00

Gary did you have the video turned up while watching the Mack Long video? In the Mack Long video that I saw on the news you could clearly hear the officer screaming "HELP ME HE'S GOT MY GUN!" as the second officer is running up to the confrontation. If you don't want to be shot by the police, don't grab their guns.

The Mack Long shooting video has been released. It...

2015-07-29T22:15:14.986-05:00

The Mack Long shooting video has been released. It was just so heavily edited you couldn't make heads or tails of it. Quite a contrast from the explicit, full-length video the Hamilton County prosecutor in Ohio released, which included all of the before, during and after conversations of police officers. And it took ten days from the day of shooting to get a grand jury determination, not nearly 3 months as occurred in the Mack Long shooting.

We need the Mack Long body camera video released s...

2015-07-29T22:07:03.529-05:00

We need the Mack Long body camera video released so we can burn Indy down.

Quit hiding the video. It belongs to the people.