Comments on Advance Indiana™: Don't Be Fooled By Doomsday Reports On Pacers Negotiations

Yeah, I warned about that several months ago, Down...

2010-06-15T18:27:35.811-05:00

Yeah, I warned about that several months ago, Downtown Indy. The City is bankrupt. That's why the idea of borrowing all of this money for pork barrel projects makes absolutely no sense at all. The City will be facing draconian cuts here in a few months.

WRTV ran a story tonite about a new city concern a...

2010-06-15T18:04:28.983-05:00

WRTV ran a story tonite about a new city concern about falling income tax revenues.

And so WHY are they even contemplating anything welfare to the Pacers?

Gary? Can I come over the next time it storms? I...

2010-06-15T13:44:49.315-05:00

Gary? Can I come over the next time it storms? I'll bring wine!

I used to live at the Marott in the 80's and I would go up to the roof every time there was a storm with a bottle of wine. That was the best. Last night I watched the storm from my street level front porch...not as good.

Are you kidding? I would never live in one of the ...

2010-06-15T12:44:21.834-05:00

Are you kidding? I would never live in one of the condos he developed.

Is that a Page condo?

2010-06-15T12:19:10.552-05:00

Is that a Page condo?

Yes, Melyssa, I took the picture from the deck on ...

2010-06-15T09:05:12.837-05:00

Yes, Melyssa, I took the picture from the deck on my building last night. It's a great vantage point to watch storms rolling into the city.

I believe the reason they are having so much troub...

2010-06-15T09:00:14.378-05:00

I believe the reason they are having so much trouble is the relentless exposure you and Paul Ogden have given to this grab of our money to give to millionaires.

You will recall that you were exposing the fraud of the Pacer's bailout even back in March of 2009 at Revolt at The State House, the event ridiculed by the likes of Jim Shella and Abdul.

By the way Gary, did you shoot that picture from your condo last night? It sure looks like yesterday evening's storm.

Keep strong guys and keep hammering them on this issue.

Jon, that's the problem here. They SAY they&#...

2010-06-15T08:39:56.654-05:00

Jon, that's the problem here. They SAY they'll consider going elsewhere without any actual intent.

The Pacer's shoud be granted Free Agent status just like a player. Show us an offer from another bidder and we can talk about matching it. Otherwise, take what your contract provides for and shut the hell up.

Paul, I was being tongue in cheek, musing on their...

2010-06-15T08:37:02.685-05:00

Paul, I was being tongue in cheek, musing on their standard line of BS.

As it's a popular phrase these days, I'll use it too: The Pacer's true financials are the 'elephant in the room.'

That would assume, Jon, that the CIB was on the si...

2010-06-15T06:22:29.463-05:00

That would assume, Jon, that the CIB was on the side of taxpayers and not the billionaire sports team owners. As the CIB has shown time and time again, it exists only to put money in Jim Irsay's and the Simons' pockets and to pick our pockets for every last dollar they can get, and when they're short, they simply borrow money and go deeper into debt. The CIB tore down Market Square Arena and the RCA Dome without ever paying off those buildings; it simply rolled the debt into even larger debt represented by the construction of the newer facilities.

Here's my question, and no one seems to answer...

2010-06-14T22:15:51.966-05:00

Here's my question, and no one seems to answer it.

Where do the Pacers, in this economy, think they will go? What city in its right mind would shell out money to build them an arena or update an existing one to the level of what they have right now?

There are no cities that will support the Pacers any more than basketball-crazed Indianapolis will.

In my view, the city owns it all in this negotiation, and I think they would have a much better chance of getting another franchise given our traditional support of basketball should the Pacers leave.

Ballard and the city should call the Pacers bluff.

DI, Actually we haven't learned that at all. ...

2010-06-14T21:12:38.316-05:00

DI,

Actually we haven't learned that at all. If the Pacers lost money that many years in a row, the IRS would have reclassified the organization as a hobby which would cause it to lose business deductions.

Since the Pacers won't open their books, I think it's safe to assume the owners are trying to hide something.

Thanks for reporting on this. I would assure peop...

2010-06-14T21:11:03.673-05:00

Thanks for reporting on this. I would assure people though that the penalty is a lot more than $50 million.

Two forumulas are used in the contract, one based on sales price times a percent that declines every year, the other is $50 million plus an amount that declines every year. One would produce about $160 million (assuming a fair market sales price) and the other $142 million penalty this year. You always take the lowest penalty when looking at the formulas.

People have focused on the $50 million in one of the penalty formulas because this is the only concrete number that is in the penalty provision. Figuring the rest of the formulas involves a lot of math.

In the last year of the contract, the penalty could drop below $50 million, though it probably wouldn't drop much below that. I'll have to figure that some time...that would involve the sales price times the smallest percent listed in the table in the contract. The other formula would never drop below $50 million. Again, you take the lowest.

We've learned over the past several months tha...

2010-06-14T20:59:53.719-05:00

We've learned over the past several months that the Pacers have lost money for most of the last 27 years or more.

So wouldn't that mean they knew perfectly well 10 years ago that they were entering into a contract that they'd have trouble fulfilling? (Yeah, I'm taking them at their word about having money trouble).

This is one huge scam being put over on us.