Comments on Advance Indiana™: Obama On Palin: Lipstick On A Pig

McCain has become quite the politician since he go...

2008-09-11T19:10:00.000-05:00

McCain has become quite the politician since he got his party's nomination... he has proven time and again that his strategy for winning is based on personal attacks and distracting people from the main issues

No apologies, Troy. As I pointed out, the "lipstic...

2008-09-10T14:20:00.000-05:00

No apologies, Troy. As I pointed out, the "lipstick on a pig" comment was immediately followed by an "old fish wrapped in new paper" who still stinks comment by Obama. You all said the same thing when he used his middle finger while mentioning Hillary's name, with his thinly-veiled comment about her being on the rag again and his constant references to McCain's age. He knows exactly what he's saying. He'll get no benefit of the doubt from me.

Gary - You're downright not telling the truth in s...

2008-09-10T14:09:00.000-05:00

Gary - You're downright not telling the truth in saying that Obama referred to Palin in the comment. I kindly ask you to apologize, because you're wrong and it is degrading to you to put it this way.

As a point of reference, I just pulled these from the CBS News story on the comment.

"I think they put some lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig." – John McCain, in reference to Hillary Clinton's health care plan, last year.

"George Bush has given a mission to General Petraeus, and he has done his best to try to figure out how to put lipstick on a pig." – Barack Obama, last year.

"Or as we say out in our home state of Wyoming, you can put all the lipstick you want on a pig, but it's still a pig." – Dick Cheney, 2004.

"It's all about withdrawal or not withdrawal, okay? I mean that's what it's all about. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig." – John McCain, last year.

Thanks. Troy

Vox,Here's a dollar, buy a clue. The fact is the ...

2008-09-10T13:26:00.001-05:00

Vox,

Here's a dollar, buy a clue. The fact is the "pig" comments you quote were not made following the very famous line in Palin's speech. That makes all the difference in the world in terms of how those post-Palin pig comments will be taken. Please try to be more intellectually honest on here. You know better.

I just hope that Obama keeps talking. The more he...

2008-09-10T13:26:00.000-05:00

I just hope that Obama keeps talking. The more he talks, the better it is for McCain/Palin.

BTW, isn't it kinda ironic that while McCain/Palin are appearing before wildly enthusiastic crowds numbering over 10,000 at a time, Obama is plodding over his material in front of a couple hundred people in small venues?

I am sure that will change, but wow. You'd think it would be the other way around.

Folks, it doesn't matter what the intent was. Any...

2008-09-10T13:24:00.000-05:00

Folks, it doesn't matter what the intent was. Any political advisor would have cringed when he heard Obama and Biden make their lipstick remarks following Palin's famous remark.

Even if no harm was meant, in this soundbite world, their remarks are going to be misinterpreted and used against Obama and Biden. You can debate what they intended, but the remarks were extremely boneheaded and harmful...and that's all that matters.

This is a classic case of the media and apparently...

2008-09-10T11:22:00.000-05:00

This is a classic case of the media and apparently bloggers taking a sound bite out of context. the first thing I thought about this morning when I saw the today show was "what context is he using that phrase" and unfortunately you don't get that information on the Today show. Even here you'll see people jumping to conclusions based off a sound bite. Sorry but 1+2 does not = 4 people.

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/09/turns-out-dick-cheney-knows-ab.html

Oh no! A show know for its political satire airin...

2008-09-10T10:42:00.000-05:00

Oh no! A show know for its political satire airing a bit of political satire! A political candidate having a little harmless fun. What's the world coming to?

Here's your celebrity candidate on SNL making Obam...

2008-09-10T09:29:00.000-05:00

Here's your celebrity candidate on SNL making Obama's argument for him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB8iVgviw9w

Vox, you're pretending to be stupid. Clearly, the...

2008-09-10T09:24:00.000-05:00

Vox, you're pretending to be stupid. Clearly, the 'pitbull with lipstick' soundbite got a whole bunch of airplay in the past week, THEN Obama let's loose with his lipstick remark. Surely you can't believe that is purely coincidental or that it wasn't directed at Palin specifically.

It's not just WHAT you say, it's also significant WHEN you say it.

After Obama referred to Palin as a pig with lipsti...

2008-09-10T09:02:00.000-05:00

After Obama referred to Palin as a pig with lipstick, he said this in clear reference to McCain:

“You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It’s still gonna stink.”
“We’ve had enough of the same old thing.”

There's that "old" word again. Obama is a very bright man. He chooses his words carefully. He knows exactly what he is saying.

What I don't understand is that there have been nu...

2008-09-10T08:54:00.000-05:00

What I don't understand is that there have been numerous uses of "lipstick on a pig" by both McCain and Obama over the years.

Indeed, here is McCain talking about Hillary Clinton's health care proposal last year:

"McCain criticized Democratic contenders for offering what he called costly universal health-care proposals that require too much government regulation. While he said he had not studied Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton's plan, he said it was "eerily reminiscent" of the failed plan she offered as first lady in the 1990s.

"I think they put some lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig," he said of her proposal."

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/10/mccain_rolls_out_health_plan_a.html

Was he calling Hillary a pig? By your logic he was and he was the first to use a nasty, sexist term.

Or how about when Barack Obama used the reference last year when talking about Iraq:

'I think that both General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker are capable people who have been given an impossible assignment,' Sen. Barack Obama said yesterday in a telephone interview. 'George Bush has given a mission to General Petraeus, and he has done his best to try to figure out how to put lipstick on a pig.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/13/AR2007091301679_pf.html

So who is the pig in that story?

It's clear you guys don't want this race to be about the issues. Your guy's campaign manager said as much. And by the way, McCain's ad attacking Obama for creating a "good touch bad touch" program so grade school children can know when they're being molested, and phrasing it as "comprehensive sex education" is beyond despicable. It's clear that John McBush is pro-molestation.

What do you suppose folks would say if McCain dare...

2008-09-10T07:19:00.000-05:00

What do you suppose folks would say if McCain dared to utter a phrase like 'monkey see monkey do'? That's as 'old as dirt' phrase, too.

Betcha there would be immediate and nonstop ranting that it was aimed at Obama whether Obama was mentioned explicitly or not.

Mike, You don't know the real Barack Obama if you ...

2008-09-10T06:39:00.001-05:00

Mike, You don't know the real Barack Obama if you don't think he was referring to her. This is classic Barack Obama.

The difference between Illinois and Indiana law is...

2008-09-10T06:39:00.000-05:00

The difference between Illinois and Indiana law is that a candidate in Indiana could run for the legislature by simply filling out a piece of paper and filing it with the Board of Elections. In Illinois, a candidate has to obtain hundreds of valid signatures of registered voters. It seems like an easy enough task, but you trying doing it up in Chicago. People move around all the time and don't update their voting address, the districts are so gerrymandered that neighborhoods are split up, making it difficult to figure out which district you live in, etc.

This is a large stretch. i just watched the clip l...

2008-09-10T06:27:00.000-05:00

This is a large stretch. i just watched the clip linked here, and Obama listed McCain policy as not change, and said, "you can put lipstick on a pig". He hadn't even referenced Palin.

There's plenty to not like about Obama without inventing smears.

Its bad enough the tripe that our political discou...

2008-09-09T22:30:00.000-05:00

Its bad enough the tripe that our political discourse in this country has become. Why be part of that? Obama uses an old as dirt colloquialism and now he's calling Palin a pig? You had the video. He didn't say it. Simply didn't happen. Never even mentioned her name in the segment you played. He was talking about policy. Lets be bloggers, not liars.

Oh yeah, as for the Chicago petition challenges, in a state with voter ID law, I'd think you'd be cheering Obama's effort to uphold election laws and ensure the voting process is secure and free from fraud.

So wait... calling yourself a pitbull with lipstic...

2008-09-09T22:14:00.000-05:00

So wait... calling yourself a pitbull with lipstick is ok, although it's a twist on the pig with lipstick saying. And that was an adlib by Palin, or so it's reported.

But following through with the usual logic.. and applying it to McCain and his policies.. that's offensive?

What about the way McCain is portraying the "scary black man" as a "sexual predator" now.. with the so-called education ad?

McCain can't win on policy, so it's all personality all the time. And I can't wait to see how he gets a crowd, when Sarah goes back to Alaska.