Comments on Advance Indiana™: CIB To Blame Economy For Budget Shortfall

Roger that was source. I looked over the schedule...

2009-01-25T12:08:00.000-05:00

Roger that was source. I looked over the schedule for LOS a while back. A smattering of small gatherings that merely got booked into suites (I assume) at the stadium.

Things that would easily and more efficiently been booked into any of the numerous existing hotel meeting rooms, but weren't. So the net effect is LOS sucks that business from established hotelier, hurting their bottom lines.

Advance - the larger point is that Kenley was, quo...

2009-01-24T18:07:00.000-05:00

Advance - the larger point is that Kenley was, quoting, "a leading figure in getting the legislation passed to build the stadium..."

As for the 200 events a year, yes, go look at the ICVA site or the Conseco Fieldhouse site...during June-July, NOTHING goes on at Conseco. The WNBA was invented to fill up some dates to make it look like these taxpayer-funded b-ball arenas aren't as big a waste.

Let that creep Ir$ay make up the difference.

2009-01-24T16:12:00.000-05:00

Let that creep Ir$ay make up the difference.

Have you been keeping tabs on the 'in use 250 days...

2009-01-24T14:14:00.000-05:00

Have you been keeping tabs on the 'in use 250 days per year' that was touted for the stadium? Want to know where that figure comes from? They book small rooms for conferences, weddings, and so on. We sure don't get 250 days of full-scale stadium events. That's actually an impossibility because such use will always require 3-7 days of setup and teardown which means at most there can be 50-60 events. REAL events, that is. And we aren't getting anywhere near that.

Actually, Kenley is the one who denied Peterson's ...

2009-01-24T13:45:00.000-05:00

Actually, Kenley is the one who denied Peterson's and Glass's request to use the tax revenues to pay for operating/maintenance expenses. He told him them to figure out another way to pay for it.

The think about Fred Glass and the CIB and the ICV...

2009-01-24T13:39:00.000-05:00

The think about Fred Glass and the CIB and the ICVA and Peterson etc etc is that everything they said was a lie.

Bob Bedell was the ringleader of ICVA until recently, and the cr*p he pulled here is exactly what he pulled in St Louis - massive spending on hotels and conventions pace that never amounted to what he and his cronies promised.

Correction though, the Republicans, late-comers to this party, are just as guilty as the Democrats. The ludicrously malinformed Luke Kenley led the charge from the right to give Irsay everything he wanted.

It will be a deep depression before Hoosiers wake up and realize that a $650 million investment in a football stadium - that is only used for 8-9 real games a year plus the occasional mud bog rally - is the biggest waste of money since...new-terrain I69. I fought this for a few years when doing bartpeterson.com, I said it before and I'll say it again, people are idiots. You can point out what a waste of money it is to tear down MSA and build Conseco, and they just grin and mumble something about needing to "step up" and be a "world class city".

The city is broke.

No PPaul, it was no secret - well half of one, sin...

2009-01-24T12:36:00.000-05:00

No PPaul, it was no secret - well half of one, since they doubled the original estimate (that is, so far).

Instead of demanding millionaire Ir$ay pony up the...

2009-01-24T11:27:00.000-05:00

Instead of demanding millionaire Ir$ay pony up the money, I am going to demand president Obama force Ir$ay (and the other $250K min wage NFL players) to "spread the wealth around." I think a 30% hike in income taxes on those who make over $400K/year should be passed immediately.

There is no secret about the previous revelation t...

2009-01-24T10:38:00.000-05:00

There is no secret about the previous revelation that the CIB never factored in the operating cost of the stadium. This red brick monstrosity that blights our skyline for it's limited use will see few concerts because of the lack of acoustics and sanitary facilities.
The Artsy crowd has gone on record as wanting to sidestep the City council & public atmosphere, and go directly to the CIB for $. For an arts crowd, there seems to be no creative bone in their body. Why not go on our local public network with a telethon and auction. They would be surprised at the intake with matching contributors. (Finally, if Ann Dancing signs and tire retread artworks are still be promoted as indicative of Hoosiers, maybe they have been on Sugar Cream Pie too long.

Well, of course it's the economy, stupid!It certai...

2009-01-24T10:13:00.001-05:00

Well, of course it's the economy, stupid!

It certainly couldn't be Bart Peterson's fault!

Even while this was in the initial planning stages, there were reports of how convention business was down 20% across the country. But conventions was the excuse they used for having to build the new Irsay Palace.

The floodgates are open - everybody 'needs' a bail...

2009-01-24T10:13:00.000-05:00

The floodgates are open - everybody 'needs' a bailout these days.

I agree, Irsay needs to cough up some scratch.

Thanks to us giving him a new stadium and numerous revenue streams, his company got top ranking in NFL value - over a BILLION dollars. This, I think, amounted to a doubling of his net worth.

Wasn't the fee for IHSAA around $150K for one tourney? Yet, the Colt's rent works out to something like $1,200 per game day.

Now the question is: Is the CIB
too big to fail?' More succinctly, are they too 'connected' to fail?

Amen, Gary, amen.That deal struck by Fred Glass an...

2009-01-24T09:49:00.000-05:00

Amen, Gary, amen.

That deal struck by Fred Glass and CIB was memoralilzed in one of the most lopsided contracts I have ever seen in my practice of law. It can be found through Indystar.com.

Actually the Colts do pay rent though. Something like a thousand dollars a month. It's in the Agreement. One wonders why they would have put that token rent in the contract. Maybe some sort of tax break.

Thanks for exposing the CIB's tactics, Gary.