tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post5047629489747961839..comments2020-04-11T03:30:02.282-05:00Gary R. Welshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-45736948575707106702008-01-25T08:53:00.000-05:002008-01-25T08:53:00.000-05:00Anon 4:18, your post is like a story about a unicorn. <BR/><BR/>"It would be smart of the black victim to claim the white guy used racial slurs during the attack, saying that the money the white guy was stealing was just welfare money that all blacks get anyway."<BR/><BR/>Are you serious?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-70134052463522618292008-01-24T16:18:00.000-05:002008-01-24T16:18:00.000-05:00<B>Again I say, READ the bill. "All" is covered.</B><BR/><BR/>"All" is only covered if you are attacked _because_ your affiliation with one of the "All" groups. This is a joke. Victims who want true justice will just start lying a little about the facts of their victimization. Say a black guy gets mugged by a white guy. The white guy says nothing during the mugging. It would be smart of the black victim to claim the white guy used racial slurs during the attack, saying that the money the white guy was stealing was just welfare money that all blacks get anyway. This way the victim might get their attacked painted as a hate crime, thus getting more punishment for the thug. This could work in many ways. Victims could lie about what was said, turning a simple mugging or purse snatch into a "hate crime," thus insuring an equal punishment that a true hate crime would get.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-6809351461356819692008-01-24T13:39:00.000-05:002008-01-24T13:39:00.000-05:00The reason that Gays (very few lesbians were in the camps as they could be used by the SS for breeding) were imprisoned even after the war, is because the German civil government prior to 1933 had a paragraph 176 of the civil code which made homosexual relations illegal. <BR/><BR/>This law was not repealed until the 1970s. Certainly a mark of shame that they were treated as criminals and not victims. Of course, our own laws were not overturned until 2005 with Lawrence v Texas. So, we've nothing to brag about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-2080914390492660172008-01-24T12:42:00.000-05:002008-01-24T12:42:00.000-05:00"The law should be equal for all and special exceptions should not be necessary or required. Prosecute the wrong doers equally."<BR/><BR/>Again I say, READ the bill. "All" is covered. Crimes committed based on Bias should come with a higher penalty paid just as there are with varying degres of murder.<BR/><BR/>And why is a Bias crimes bill needed? Because there is an epidemic of bias crimes in our country! Bias crimes are like a terroist attack. People who terroize targeted groups of people, i.e. Christians, Muslims, African Americans, Disabled, etc... should be punished more aggresively. <BR/><BR/>This bill also requires law enforcement officers to receive training in identifying, responding to, and reporting bias crimes. <BR/><BR/>Why is it that nobody is screaming about religion being a protected class? <BR/><BR/>You think we're civilized enough that bias crimes don't happen? Here's a factoid. During WWII when the allied forces were freeing prisoners they LEFT the gays and lesbians imprisioned! Make's me sick to my stomache.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-45696678936979110352008-01-24T11:56:00.000-05:002008-01-24T11:56:00.000-05:00The law should be equal for all and special exceptions should not be necessary or required. Prosecute the wrong doers equally.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-16528957982178373012008-01-24T09:30:00.000-05:002008-01-24T09:30:00.000-05:00Anon 8:02 Think about what you're saying before you write such dribble:<BR/><BR/>"Remember beat, murder, rape and rob the straight Caucasian because he hasn't any rights or special protection."<BR/><BR/>Digest of HB 1076:<BR/>Bias crimes. Requires law enforcement officers to receive training in identifying, responding to, and reporting bias crimes. Allows an individual who suffers a personal injury or property damage caused by a criminal offense to bring a civil action to recover damages, including punitive damages, if the person who committed the offense knowingly or intentionally selected the victim because of the: <BR/>(1) victim's actual or perceived color, creed, disability, national origin, race, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, sex, or homelessness; or <BR/>(2) actual or perceived color, creed, disability, national origin, race, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, or sex of an individual affiliated or associated with the victim. Makes commission of a crime because of the: <BR/>(1) victim's actual or perceived color, creed, disability, national origin, race, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, sex, homelessness, or any other characteristic or belief; or <BR/>(2) actual or perceived color, creed, disability, national origin, race, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, sex, or any other characteristic or belief of an individual affiliated or associated with the victim; an aggravating circumstance that may be considered by a judge when the judge imposes a sentence for the crime.<BR/><BR/>"straight Caucasions" are covered in this bill. Did you even bother to read it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-79713925628666366122008-01-24T08:02:00.000-05:002008-01-24T08:02:00.000-05:00Quote.... still don't think it is fair. Shouldn't we be sending murderers, thugs, rapist, muggers, etc. away for the same time? Why should someone who beats another kid because he doesn't like him get a lesser sentence than someone who beats another kid because the kid is gay? They should both be able to get the same sentence. If the thug who beats the kid just because of a personal dislike (outside the protected classes or whatever) gets a lesser sentence than the thug who beats a black person or gay man, justice in this country is nothing more than a joke......><BR/><BR/>I agree wholeheartedly. Protected classes for selective law enforcement is absurd and unjust.<BR/><BR/>A crime is a crime and should be prosecuted as such. Do not sweep the crime under the rug but adjudicate the wrong doers equally.<BR/><BR/>What next, "Hate Crime legislation for stamp collectors".<BR/><BR/>Remember beat, murder, rape and rob the straight Caucasian because he hasn't any rights or special protection.<BR/><BR/>All people should be protected equally under the law and let's not legislate a class society in America.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-56392626243199662482008-01-23T23:27:00.000-05:002008-01-23T23:27:00.000-05:00It is very unfortunate this guy even has a voice in our state legislature. Are our state legislatures really this simple-minded?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-80599915382626340132008-01-23T22:09:00.000-05:002008-01-23T22:09:00.000-05:00Once again, these people prove our point. Let the crazies roll and we'll win every time. Most Hoosiers don't want to be seen as mean...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-890996382369893152008-01-23T21:58:00.000-05:002008-01-23T21:58:00.000-05:00Try as I might, I just really cannot wrap my mind around the kind of hatred and bigotry people like Miller espouse.<BR/><BR/>And now I read Fred Phelps is going to "protest" Heath Ledger's memorial service.<BR/><BR/>It's beyond all understanding.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-78555904802018200702008-01-23T21:19:00.000-05:002008-01-23T21:19:00.000-05:00This gives Eric Miller and the religious right another reason to oppose Jon Elrod's run for Congress.<BR/><BR/><BR/>I don't think any Republican can win in the 7th District without support of the complete Republican Party, Independents and even some Democrats.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-79218043258732669712008-01-23T20:43:00.000-05:002008-01-23T20:43:00.000-05:00I still don't think it is fair. Shouldn't we be sending murderers, thugs, rapist, muggers, etc. away for the same time? Why should someone who beats another kid because he doesn't like him get a lesser sentence than someone who beats another kid because the kid is gay? They should both be able to get the same sentence. If the thug who beats the kid just because of a personal dislike (outside the protected classes or whatever) gets a lesser sentence than the thug who beats a black person or gay man, justice in this country is nothing more than a joke.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-4018142493894504532008-01-23T20:33:00.000-05:002008-01-23T20:33:00.000-05:00Eric Miller is a republican...what else would you expect?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-16751889673712062152008-01-23T20:13:00.000-05:002008-01-23T20:13:00.000-05:00The Democrats are the main sponsers of this issue. If you want this legislation passed, vote Democrat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-78606655673407364662008-01-23T19:21:00.000-05:002008-01-23T19:21:00.000-05:00I hate it when Wilson is right! He knows what I'm talking about!<BR/>Score one point for Wilson!garyjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18141621101828080762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-44176712797441803392008-01-23T19:09:00.000-05:002008-01-23T19:09:00.000-05:00What next? Assisting Nigerian bankers families getting millions from sequestered accounts?<BR/><BR/>All I had to was send them my personal information. They depostied 7.5 million into my account the next day!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-50755152953906210392008-01-23T18:58:00.000-05:002008-01-23T18:58:00.000-05:00Sometimes, as my great-grandpa used to say, you have to give folks enough rope to hang themselves. And maybe Governor Miller has finally been given enough verbal rope.<BR/><BR/>His claims are ridiculous, of course. Whilst talking to an arch-conservative friend today, this subject came up. We agree on very little politically, but on this one, he said:<BR/><BR/>"Eric Miller is giving us a bad name. He needs to stop."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-88498550807646952922008-01-23T18:17:00.000-05:002008-01-23T18:17:00.000-05:00What next? Assisting Nigerian bankers families getting millions from sequestered accounts?Wilson46201https://www.blogger.com/profile/14214029150233485312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-29957323436641903652008-01-23T17:14:00.000-05:002008-01-23T17:14:00.000-05:00Wow, Gary, you hit it right on the nose. And by the way, it sounds like he's using the exact same language as last year. No need to be original I suppose, since it worked last year.<BR/><BR/>What's your take on its ultimate passage?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com