Comments on Advance Indiana™: Berg: Obama's Grandmother Claims His Birth Took Place In Kenya

Just in case someone did not hear the news. This l...

2008-12-08T16:48:00.000-05:00

Just in case someone did not hear the news. This leaves the Berg case still pending, but not likely to be heard:

Dec 8, 2008

Supreme Court Declines to Hear Obama Nationality Case
By Robert Barnes

Washington Post

The Supreme Court this morning unceremoniously declined to hear an emergency appeal from a man who claimed President-elect Barack Obama is not qualified for the presidency because he is not a "natural-born" citizen.

The court without comment declined to hear "Donofrio v. Wells," a suit that had attempted to keep Obama off the New Jersey ballot. Leo Donofrio of East Brunswick had claimed Obama had dual nationality at birth, because of his Kansas-born mother and his Kenyan-born father, who was a British subject at the time.

Just to be nonpartisan about it, Donofrio also contended that Republican Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) and Socialist Workers candidate Roger Calero also were not natural-born citizens and should have been kept off the ballot.

The case had little chance at the high court, but became the subject of a tremendous amount of speculation and debate on ideological political blogs.

Right-wing blogs were outraged when Justice David H. Souter denied Donofrio's petition for an injunction, and left-wing blogs smelled trouble when Justice Clarence Thomas referred the matter to the full court for consideration.

In fact, both were routine procedures, as the court's action today shows. There were no recorded dissents to the decision dismissing the case.

This hardly means the lawsuits are over. There are two other cases at the Supreme Court, neither of which has been scheduled for consideration. The most celebrated is filed by Philip J. Berg of Lafayette Hill, Pa. There are others still at lower court levels.

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http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_th...

2008-10-30T13:30:00.000-05:00

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

The burden of proof is on Berg to prove that Obama's birth certificate is false, and that the State of Hawaii is also complicit in their issuance of a false birth certificate. He hasn't been able to convince a court yet that he has a case.

I'm an Obama supporter, and I believe in adherence to the Constitution. If Barack's not a "natural born citizen," then he's not eligible to be president. But the preponderance of EVIDENCE shows that he is, in fact, a natural born citizen. Rumors and hearsay are not EVIDENCE. Berg hasn't made the case to refute the fact that Obama's birth certificate is legit.

I find it sad that people are so willing to wave the Constitution around on this non-issue when Bush and Cheney have been systematically shredding it for the last eight years. I'm betting that an Obama administration will do nothing but restore adherence to the Constitution.

Re: "The point is, smrstrauss, the Constitution. I...

2008-10-29T02:29:00.000-05:00

Re: "The point is, smrstrauss, the Constitution. If we can simply pick and choose what parts of the Constitution we want to enforce, then it really doesn't serve its purpose, does it?"

But of course. Obama was born in Hawaii. He has put a copy of his birth certificate on line. It has been checked out by FactCheck and Polifact. Journalists have asked the Hawaii government whether the document is phony and it replied no.

This document may not be the original that was issued when he was born, but that may have been lost. There's no guarantee that paper records have been kept for all this years. But that does not matter. The document that was published is detailed enough for the US State Department to issue him a passport.

He was born in Hawaii.

There is NO proof he was born anywhere else.

This being the case, there is no violation of the Constitution.

The point is, smrstrauss, the Constitution. If we ...

2008-10-25T20:49:00.000-05:00

The point is, smrstrauss, the Constitution. If we can simply pick and choose what parts of the Constitution we want to enforce, then it really doesn't serve its purpose, does it?

Ted, as you note, Andy Martin concluded that Frank...

2008-10-25T20:47:00.000-05:00

Ted, as you note, Andy Martin concluded that Frank Marshall Davis was Obama's real father after he concluded his recent investigation in Hawaii. At first blush it sounded a little far-fetched, but upon closer examination, it seems plausible. Photos of Davis certainly show more of a likeness to Obama than the photos of Barack Obama, Sr. Obama's mother got pregnant as a minor, and it is true that Obama's white grandfather introduced him to Davis as a father-like figure. Obama says as much in his book, Dreams From My Father. Interestingly, Obama arranged to have references to Davis removed from latest version of the book. Davis admitted in his sex book to having sex with a 13-year-old girl.

Let us suppose you were right and that Obama was n...

2008-10-25T19:57:00.000-05:00

Let us suppose you were right and that Obama was not born in Hawaii.

He WAS born in Hawaii. I’ve seen pictures of his birth certificate (or maybe certificate of live birth, I forget which), and there is a confirming notice in the Hawaii Advertiser. But suppose on a wild chance that this was wrong.

Suppose that this fact were to be proven before the election. Would this help make McCain elected president? No. It would merely make Joe Biden the presidential candidate of the Democratic party.

Would Biden win just like Obama would? Sure.

Would he win even BIGGER than Obama would? Maybe. You can’t call him inexperienced or a terrorist or a friend of Ayers, nor would people who vote against Obama because of his race or alleged Arab ties or alleged Moslem religion vote against Biden.

Biden would get all the votes of Obama and maybe a few more.

Suppose it was proven after the election. Would that make McCain the president? No. If the Congress really bought the fact that Obama was not naturally born in the USA, and that Obama was not eligible to be president (which is a stretch because it is controlled by Democrats), then Biden would be president.

So, what is the point?

And, will some reporter simply ask Barack Obama ab...

2008-10-25T16:57:00.000-05:00

And, will some reporter simply ask Barack Obama about this (from bouncingrealitychecks.blogspot.com):

“OBAMA’S REAL BIRTH LOCATION, AND HIS REAL FATHER: FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS
In light of the fact that the judge in the Philip Berg v. Obama and DNC case dismissed this case because of lack of standing on the part of Mr. Berg, ( http://www.americasright.com ), it is unfortunate indeed that citizens (until our Worthless Congress takes their heads out of their a**es and writes some laws protecting us from allowing this type of situation) have no recourse to prevent this situation we are about to enter, and simply must proceed to either a constitutional crisis or total destruction of the country by a marxist communist who is likely foreign born and not even basically qualified to be President. The judge might like to do more, but unless he “legislates from the bench” like liberal judges would (he is a Republican I understand), he has to rule on the basis of law — and I agree with his decision on that basis. As unfortunate as it is, the judge is likely correct in his ruling.

Here’s my take on the Obama citizenship situation. My view is a combination of both the Andy Martin theories and the Philip Berg theories. (See links in previous posts shown below.) It takes both into consideration and doesn’t ignore any of the possible scenarios. My theory:

Obama is a dead ringer for Frank Marshall Davis. Frank Marshall Davis is his father, and the “Anne” in Frank Marshall Davis’ sex/porn book IS Ann, Obama’s mother. There was an agreement between Frank Marshall Davis (as Andy Martin states) and Barack Obama, Sr. for Obama, Sr. to pose as Barack’s father. As the birth approached, Obama, Sr. wanted to move back to Kenya, and Ann agreed to go with him. She intended to come back to Hawaii before Barack’s birth and give birth to him in Hawaii. Unknowingly, she waited to long, and was too close to giving birth that the airline would not let her board a flight back to the U.S. She had no choice but to give birth to Barack in Kenya. She did, and within days after the birth flew back to Hawaii to get birth documentation. However, she was not able to get a full-fledged birth certificate since he was not born in Hawaii and only could obtain the Live Birth documentation. Additionally, Barack was not qualified to be a “natural-born citizen” as she was not yet 19 (the law at the time for children born to parents while overseas). Barack’s paternal grandmother claimed she was present for his birth in Kenya, and this is likely the case. The fraud was perpetuated until present, and she likely still does not know that Obama is not her blood grandson.

Obama, Sr. never really had a connection with Barack, Jr. as he was not his blood son, and didn’t really try to maintain any consistent relationship with him. However, the facade was continued by Ann and her parents. In Hawaii Barack became close to Frank Marshall Davis but Barack did not know until much later that Frank was Barack’s father. One reason why Barack may not want the public to know that Frank Marshall Davis was his father is likely because of Frank’s Communist admissions, and membership in the Communist Party USA (even though his stated father, Barack Obama, Sr., was also a marxist communist, but was not as related to the United States politically).

Another reason Barack may not want you to know that Frank Marshall Davis was his father is because of Davis’s graphic and infamous sex/porn book “Sex Rebel: Black (Memoirs of a Gash Gourmet),” (written under pseudonym “Bob Greene”); Greenleaf Publishing Company (Evanston, IL), 1968. This would not reflect well on Barack, especially in light of the fact that Frank Marshall Davis had homosexual proclivities, and Barack has been connected to the scandal that involved deaths of 3 homosexual men in Rev. Wright’s Trinity church near the end of 2007, even though the news media has tried to cover up any link to Barack Obama in this situation. See http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/members_of_obama

Associated Press purposefully lies to and misleads...

2008-10-25T15:41:00.000-05:00

Associated Press purposefully lies to and misleads Americans by not reporting Berg case thrown out solely on the basis of Obama’s legal argument that Berg has no standing as an American citizen AND NOT ON THE SUBSTANCE CLAIMED WHICH OBAMA CAN’T DENY!!!

Handled right, the Fed District Court throwing out...

2008-10-25T13:31:00.000-05:00

Handled right, the Fed District Court throwing out Berg for lack of standing can present a political check-mate “win” on appeal for the anti-Obama side (if not in law, in the Court of Public Opinion). Here’s how: SIMPLY SPREAD AROUND OBAMA’S APPELLATE BRIEF HAVING TO ARGUE AGAINST AN AMERICAN VOTER’S RIGHT TO RAISE THE QUESTION UNDER THE CONSTITUTION. Should be a PR disaster for the Dems and Obama!!!

From the court documents, and other attorney sites...

2008-10-24T22:35:00.000-05:00

From the court documents, and other attorney sites I've read, it sounds like his entire presidency pends on if his family filled out the proper paperwork when he returned to America with his mother. I actually feel bad for the guy, as all those dollars spent on his campaign would be down the drain due to someone not doing their due diligence before he was selected as a candidate. Talk about a "woops". Kind of sad that America is now at a time where we have to validate a President's own citizenship to be certain we can elect him. Is this seriously the best candidate we have to represent the Democratic party? Where are all the real Americans that don't need to prove their actual citizenship is the USA, and not two or three other countries. Sad. Just sad.

-----If McCain and his campaign can admit to the a...

2008-10-24T17:07:00.000-05:00

-----If McCain and his campaign can admit to the authenticity of Obama's citizenship, why can't you?-----

I see nothing wrong with this being fully and properly and independently investigated.

That said, even if Obama was born in Kenya, he can claim US citizen, natural born status and run for President.

Let's take it to court and get it resolved.

Gary, when John McCain corrected that quasi-nutty ...

2008-10-24T15:47:00.000-05:00

Gary, when John McCain corrected that quasi-nutty lady who thought Obama was "Arab," McCain himself stated that Barack was a "citizen." If McCain and his campaign can admit to the authenticity of Obama's citizenship, why can't you?

Slightly misleading title, it should be "Berg clai...

2008-10-24T15:27:00.000-05:00

Slightly misleading title, it should be "Berg claims that Obama's Grandmother claims his birth took place in Kenya" and if you're keeping track this is the second time he has failed to release the evidence central to his case.

Also, you can not give up your US citizenship until you are 18 and you must do so to an American offical. Indonesian law does not trump US law.
Obama could have been a British subject (not the same thing as a citizen and does not trump US citizenship) if the appropriate paper work had been filled out according to a US - British treaty as Kenya was a British possession.

Kenya is VERY proud of Obama and thinks his presid...

2008-10-24T15:12:00.000-05:00

Kenya is VERY proud of Obama and thinks his presidency will bring much prestige and opportunity to their nation.

Do you wonder if the grandmother is making this up? Think about what her universe is like right now. She's queen bee of her native land.

She might think claiming his birth their would help their very poor country.

My favorite charity is a school in Kenya that was started by one of my school teachers. I can tell you first hand, that I've already been targeted for a scam because I sponsored one of the school's AID's orphans.

Scams in Kenya are common, as the people are truly desperate and horribly poor.

Obama's grandmother may not understand that a claim of his birth in Kenya, would mean that he is not qualified for the office of president.

Just being devils' advocate here, but how do we know she isn't making it up or doesn't understand what an affadavit is.