Comments on Advance Indiana™: What New Election Law Will Judge Rosenberg Make Up Today?

There's "produce ID" and then there&...

2012-01-06T23:31:43.598-05:00

There's "produce ID" and then there's the government-issued photo ID requirement for voting.

IMHO, it's the rare elderly handicapped person who boards an airplane, drives a car, cashes a check, gets carded at a liquor store or, for that matter, buys caustic substances at the hardware store. (They don't get out much.)

I don't understand why you're in favor of disenfranchising people who have been voting all their lives just because they don't have (all of a sudden) a government-issued photo ID.

Tell me: can your 85 year old relatives put their hands on their original birth certificates? (As the BMV website notes, "Some states may take up to five months to process duplicate birth certificates.")

Can your elderly relative find her marriage license to validate her name change?

Getting an ID is not just showing up at a BMV office (although that's difficult enough if you're in a wheelchair).

The BMV requires:
One document proving your identity; and
One document proving your Social Security number; and
One document proving your lawful status in the United States; and
Two documents proving your Indiana residency.

Do you have some sort of bias against the old and the infirm?

You bet. Or cashing a check, boarding a plane, or ...

2012-01-06T18:06:54.256-05:00

You bet. Or cashing a check, boarding a plane, or applying for a mortgage or a lease. The endless number of things in life we can't do without producing an ID.

So, Gary, you're comparing voting to buying Dr...

2012-01-06T17:18:31.305-05:00

So, Gary, you're comparing voting to buying Drano?

If your parents still lived in Illinois, they woul...

2012-01-06T14:05:29.420-05:00

If your parents still lived in Illinois, they would need an ID to buy Draino:

CHICAGO (CBS) – A new state law requires those who buy drain cleaners and other caustic substances to provide photo identification and sign a log.

It’s getting a rough reception from customers and merchants alike although perhaps none more than a cashier at Schroeder’s True Value Hardware in Lombard.

“They’re not very happy about it at all,” said Don Schroeder, one of the store’s owners. “One of the customers actually threatened the (cashier) and threatened to throw the acid on her.”

Too bad that all who voted in the Iowa caucuses we...

2012-01-05T22:56:23.123-05:00

Too bad that all who voted in the Iowa caucuses were not required to produce an id.

Both of you -- Gary and Indy4u2c -- are being ridi...

2012-01-05T20:12:45.410-05:00

Both of you -- Gary and Indy4u2c -- are being ridiculous.

Yes, both my parents moved to Indiana from Illinois earlier this year. I drove them here, but I had a nurse in the car with me to take care of any health issues en route.

Neither suffers from dementia; both have been active citizens for decades.

My father served in the military and both are active in the American Legion, VFW, etc.

Of course I could drive them to a BMV branch, but then they'd have to sit there in one of those rickety metal chairs for the (sometimes) hours a visit such as that requires.

Neither could stand up for a photo.

One uses a "mobility scooter" and the other a wheelchair, so I'd need at least one more person (preferably two) to get them in and out of the car.

Indy4u2c says "everybody who is able to vote can vote with ID to prove they are the person they claim to be in Indiana." Which is patently NOT the case. They've got plenty of ID -- credit cards, membership cards, (expired) drivers licenses and passports, utility bills etc. -- but not a government-issued photo ID.

Neither of you is willing to admit that the new ID law places an unreasonable burden on the elderly.

OK, Susan McKee, here it is for you. You claim yo...

2012-01-05T15:50:17.657-05:00

OK, Susan McKee, here it is for you. You claim your parents moved from Illinois. You (as a relative) refuse to assist them in getting their FREE voting ID.

Now here is my question: Are they suffering Dementia? If they are unable to understand what they are doing, they have no business submitting a ballot as it would either be the choice of someone else (perhaps Susan) or not a choice at all....

Bottom line: everybody who is able to vote can vote with ID to prove they are the person they claim to be in Indiana.

So now you're saying your parents could physic...

2012-01-05T14:43:18.715-05:00

So now you're saying your parents could physically make the move from Illinois to Indiana, but it is impossible for them to be transported with assistance to a BMV branch. You are going to find any excuse for why they can't get an ID. You're like the bad student who always has an excuse for why his homework didn't get completed.

Gary: you can't renew ID cards at the BMV onli...

2012-01-05T14:09:02.910-05:00

Gary:
you can't renew ID cards at the BMV online when your last driver's license was issued in Illinois; there's nothing to renew.

You can renew ID cards with the BMV online. The mo...

2012-01-05T07:37:36.543-05:00

You can renew ID cards with the BMV online. The more you talk about their inability to get an ID, the more you are making the case that perhaps they lack mental capacity to cast a vote themselves.

Gary: my parents are in rehab; driving them ANYWHE...

2012-01-04T21:08:06.964-05:00

Gary: my parents are in rehab; driving them ANYWHERE is not an option at the moment. And, FWIW, they've never been on welfare and they haven't bought booze in years.

Indy4u2c: do you think I'm making up having parents who live in Boone County and don't have valid government issued photo id -- although they've voted for decades (until moving to Indiana)?

Poor behavior is the problem Vox- like that which ...

2012-01-04T19:41:00.310-05:00

Poor behavior is the problem Vox- like that which was reported by the Howey Report in St. Joe County! In Wisconsin they're said to be buying recall votes.

You're mischaracterizing the problem in the condescendingly nefarious terms of poverty, when it's really just Partizan & Cheeta who want make law of duh jungle...

Dear Susan McKee: I do NOT believe your assertion...

2012-01-04T19:40:48.067-05:00

Dear Susan McKee:

I do NOT believe your assertion that you know someone in Indiana that does not have/cannot obtain easily proper identification.

Please allow me to investigate your laughable assertion and identify the alleged "Boone County residents." Who have no identification.....

(I didn't think you'd respond, because your assertion is FALSE!)

Indy, If I'm not mistaken the Democrats also g...

2012-01-04T19:18:41.590-05:00

Indy, If I'm not mistaken the Democrats also got caught using a voter as one of their exhibits for disenfranchisement who was curiously registered to vote in the state of Florida and casting votes there as well.

Thanks for the info Indy. Wasn't aware of tha...

2012-01-04T18:50:16.858-05:00

Thanks for the info Indy. Wasn't aware of that fact. I probably could have done without the serious attitude in your comment though. Oh well.

And you're such a caring daughter, Susan, that...

2012-01-04T18:35:50.989-05:00

And you're such a caring daughter, Susan, that you can't drive them down to the BMV to receive a government-issued ID--for free? They are disenfranchised by choice, or your choice, take your pick.

My parents are unable to vote because they have no...

2012-01-04T17:11:27.221-05:00

My parents are unable to vote because they have no valid government-issued photo id.

They no longer drive and their passports have expired.

That's two (Boone County) residents right there who are disenfranchised.

How many more examples do you need?

To Vox & Paul: Let me make myself perfectly c...

2012-01-04T17:06:13.698-05:00

To Vox & Paul:

Let me make myself perfectly clear: If the person cannot afford to BUY an Indiana ID card, the State of Indiana will GIVE IT TO YOU FREE!

That is correct. Verify it at http://www.in.gov/bmv/2837.htm

I would have said that one may use tax money (welfare) to obtain the ID card, but I learned that the State provides them at no cost.

Now what does the ignorant Vox or Paul got to say?????? (No comment from Vox or Paul this time)

Bill: Gary obviously not only read, but studied t...

2012-01-04T17:01:25.388-05:00

Bill:

Gary obviously not only read, but studied the law.

Gary is right. 'nough said.

That's your favorite answer to every question ...

2012-01-04T16:57:28.683-05:00

That's your favorite answer to every question you don't want to answer, Bill. Blame it on racism. We're sick and tired of you guys trotting out that lame ass excuse every time you are advocating a position you can't defend on the merits. Just play the race card.

So glad that the Circuit Court Judge issued a stay...

2012-01-04T14:00:13.968-05:00

So glad that the Circuit Court Judge issued a stay of his order, so that the elected In. Secretary of State can remain in office while Rosenberg's decision is being appealed.

I am a bit sympathetic to VP's argument, as it...

2012-01-04T13:44:47.045-05:00

I am a bit sympathetic to VP's argument, as it doesn't seem all that different from the argument against Obamacare, you shouldn't be required to buy a product, whether it be an ID or health care, to live, or perform constitutional rights like voting.

That being said, the easy answer is for the state to provide free IDs to anyone that does not have a driver's license. That should be a pretty small number. If the person gets a free ID card, then gets a driver's license, they have to pay the ID card fee too.

Thoughts?

Gary, I understand that you are a lawyer. Read the...

2012-01-04T12:09:15.341-05:00

Gary, I understand that you are a lawyer. Read the law. Its pretty clear. I understand you dont want a black man in the SOS position,but the law is the law.

I should have added buying booze to that list. The...

2012-01-04T12:07:42.919-05:00

I should have added buying booze to that list. They always seem to have an ID to allow them to buy their alcohol.

Gary you are right on! When the Dems tried &quo...

2012-01-04T11:33:30.991-05:00

Gary you are right on!

When the Dems tried "The Vox Argument" one of those people who "didn't have ID" and "couldn't obtain it" was a long-time Democrat who also WORKED AT THE BMV! -Thus, she had to have ID to get employment...and as for not being able to get one, well, another Democrat lie?