Comments on Advance Indiana™: Double Homicide Was Likely A Hate Crime

In this case, I find myself in complete and total ...

2008-10-23T19:39:00.000-05:00

In this case, I find myself in complete and total agreement with you AI. That doesn't happen too often.

Well, this smells more like a robbery than a hate ...

2008-10-23T10:33:00.000-05:00

Well, this smells more like a robbery than a hate crime.

I think hate crimes initially were a good idea, but criminal justice agencies across the country have shown an inability to demonstrate any rational discretion in their application. It's run completely amok.

"That's a worn out argument, downtown ind...

2008-10-22T15:37:00.000-05:00

"That's a worn out argument, downtown indy. Our criminal laws have always made distinctions in punishment meted out for crimes. And no, not all murders are hate crimes. A guy who kills a man in bed with his wife probably didn't have enough time to form an opinion. He snaps and shoots the guy. A guy holding up a liquor store has no particular feelings about the store clerk. He didn't even know the guy, but he instinctively shot him after the store clerk reached for a gun. He acted out of the necessity of the moment. They are all crimes of murder, but we have historically made distinctions when it comes to meting out punishment. Bias crimes can bring harm to an entire community of persons, not just the murder victim's family."

Well, c'mon now, that is why we have 1st, 2nd, & 3rd degree murder and manslaughter. I don't think targeting a gay man is any different than targeting anyone else for murder. I don't want laws that say if you kill a gay man because you hate him, you're liable for a different amount of punishment than someone who killed aco-worker because he hated him, or an ex-wife, or any such thing. The crime is the murder, and the 1st/2nd/3rd degree etc allows for variance in motive.

You miss my intended point Gary. The problem isn't...

2008-10-22T14:56:00.000-05:00

You miss my intended point Gary. The problem isn't that we need more laws, we need better application of the ones we have. Pleading murder down to manslaughter is the problem and that's lazy or over worked prosecutors.

I have a similar problem with letting thugs back out after serving half a sentence. Good behavior in prison isn't a yardstick for measuring whether they'll have good behavior after release. Instead, stick 'em with more time if they misbehave in prison. If the crime has 20 years, then dadgummit you should do 20 years and not 10.

I dislike the invention of special cases, like 'hate crime' or '(fill in the blank with some kid's name) Law'.

In my eye's a murder for 'hate' is no better or worse than murder for 'slight dislike', 'just snapped' or 'robbed a liquor store' and they ALL should be treated equally (meaning: never see the light of day again). Otherwise, we've left 'all men are equal' in the dust and now some, when murdered, get a different kind of justice handed out to their killer than the rest do.

Murder is not something I see having varying shades of severity. No one is ever justly slightly killed.

"I firmly believe it was definitely a hate crime. ...

2008-10-22T11:39:00.001-05:00

"I firmly believe it was definitely a hate crime. Milt was 70 and his partner was 73 and to go into someone's home and do something like that, it's just too coincidental."

Good thing our court systems and police work on coincedence, and not trivial things like facts or evidence.

The debate about hate crimes laws aside, how does anybody prove at this stage in the game that these two men were in fact targeted because they were gay? So a note was left on their property...that proves absolutely nothing. I agree that it looks funny at this point, but why isn't a hypothesis that it was just a random killing any less credible?

That's a worn out argument, downtown indy. Our cri...

2008-10-22T11:39:00.000-05:00

That's a worn out argument, downtown indy. Our criminal laws have always made distinctions in punishment meted out for crimes. And no, not all murders are hate crimes. A guy who kills a man in bed with his wife probably didn't have enough time to form an opinion. He snaps and shoots the guy. A guy holding up a liquor store has no particular feelings about the store clerk. He didn't even know the guy, but he instinctively shot him after the store clerk reached for a gun. He acted out of the necessity of the moment. They are all crimes of murder, but we have historically made distinctions when it comes to meting out punishment. Bias crimes can bring harm to an entire community of persons, not just the murder victim's family.

Aren't ALL murders hate crimes? What more does th...

2008-10-22T11:16:00.000-05:00

Aren't ALL murders hate crimes? What more does the law need to say/do about this case vs any other?

This was a horrible crime, and it should be proscu...

2008-10-22T09:51:00.000-05:00

This was a horrible crime, and it should be proscuted under hate crime legislation. Unfortunately, Indiana's General Assembly has not passed legislation like this. It's time to demand it. GLBT people are a part of this community, and they should be able to live their lives in peace and freedom and without fear. As a resident of Decatur Township, it shames me deeply that this happened in my community.