Comments on Advance Indiana™: Proposed Northern Virginia BRT Costs $23 Million Per Mile

Anon 7:40. What you said is not basic urban planni...

2016-04-12T09:07:41.158-05:00

Anon 7:40. What you said is not basic urban planning, it is nonsense. That leads to a feedback loop where we build more roads just to build more roads. Do diminishing returns not exist for roads? Do we even measure demand if they are not even priced?

Roads are a means to an end, not an end unto itself. Your proposition flies in the face of any anecdotal evidence of livable cities. Indy should not try to become carbon copies of the suburbs. They will beat us at that all damn day. Places like 52nd, 54th, and Broad Ripple and College are massively productive land uses. Look it up, places like that contribute FAR more tax money per acre than some big box store with a big parking lot. Knocking down productive uses and replacing it with a tax payer funded liability (a road that will need to be maintained) is how you bankrupt a city.

8:52, College Ave needs to be widened to ease cong...

2016-04-11T19:40:36.087-05:00

8:52, College Ave needs to be widened to ease congestion. We don't have enough roads, and our roads are too narrow. Where there's congestion, you widen a road. This is basic urban planning.

If you want to make an area more livable, you widen the roads and make access easier. Again, basic urban planning

As for what's in the way of the road, who cares? The road comes first, and the stuff on the road comes second. If people built in the way of where the road needs to go, that's what eminent domain is for. Everything can be torn down. Build it right, or dyn-o-mite.

If Indianapolis wants to be attractive to people fleeing for the suburbs, it needs to have a road system that looks like the attractive suburbs.

Anon 8:52: Those in development can inform you th...

2016-04-11T12:39:46.825-05:00

Anon 8:52: Those in development can inform you that suburban bleed appears to have been stemmed. You're right about leaving sidewalks in tact & Anon 5:07 is right about the statist destruction of College Ave; by illegal misuse of public funds.

Anon - 5:07 We already have a congestion rating th...

2016-04-11T08:52:03.214-05:00

Anon - 5:07 We already have a congestion rating that ranks about 47/50 for large metros according to TomTom. Why does College ave need to be widened? There are buildings in the way. Or should we take out sidewalks so everyone HAS to drive and no one is allowed to walk anywhere. That is pure nonsense. Oppose the Red Line if you feel that's right but to propose that we instead spend that money on plowing wide roads through our city so northern suburb commuters can get home a tiny bit faster is fiscal lunacy. Indy doesn't have a war on cars or hate highways - that is a victim complex if I have ever seen one.

A large overriding theme on this site is to make Indianapolis more attractive so people stop fleeing to the suburbs. Carving out wide commuter roads simultaneously A. lowers the cost of commuting long distances B. RAISES the cost of roads for Indy citizens C. lowers quality of life for those who live in close proximity to such roads.

Let's make a referral to the IN AG's offic...

2016-04-10T21:24:39.541-05:00

Let's make a referral to the IN AG's office regarding the CCC's violation of state law.

Anon 3:37 - There is no war on cars. Everybody ha...

2016-04-10T19:01:00.310-05:00

Anon 3:37 - There is no war on cars. Everybody has a car. There's no other way to get around Indy than with a car. Here's what's funny about that. Most of you "war on cars" guys doesn't want to pay the true cost of building and maintaining roads, either. You want somebody else to subsidize your commute from the lily white fringe of Indy. I can't begin to imagine how you'd deal if we had leaders with the courage to do something like Oslo. Can you find Oslo on a map? Great quality of life. They run laps around us.

I know what you're trying to say, that Indiana...

2016-04-10T17:07:47.855-05:00

I know what you're trying to say, that Indianapolis is pulling a Brainard and deliberately underestimating the cost just to get the project started. That's a good observation to make, but please don't let them call what is just a war on driving "Bus Rapid Transit."

They're using the name of a potentially decent idea to hide what is nothing more than a very nefarious Agenda 21 war on driving.

This plan to destroy College Avenue has been in motion for a few years and is highly coordinated. Ballard is a central villain in the conspiracy. College is criminally narrow and underbuilt and is one of Indianapolis' most dangerous intersections, but a couple years ago, they built a grossly overwide sidewalk on the east side of College, running from 71st St. to 75th St., for the sole purpose of saying "We can't widen College Avenue. There's a 'trail' there."

It's obvious to all prudent urban planners that Colleg Avenue needs to be widened. It's still murky why Indianapolis is declaring war on itself by attacking one of its few North-South streets.

Look at a map of Indianapolis. Find the North-South streets in the middle of the city that start downtown and serve the North Side. There's Keystone, College, Meridian. That's it. Michigan angles. Allisonville angles. West of Meridian, Indianapolis doesn't have another major North-South street. East of Keystone, it's the same thing. None of the North-South routes run for very long. For some unknown reason, Indianapolis wants to destroy 33% of its North-South access.

If there were an Interstate running next to Meridian from downtown to Carmel, the closure of College might be more tolerable, but Indianapolis hates highways. The Indianapolis road system is horrible.

Why is a landlocked city to anti-car?

The Northern Virginia rendering may look less impr...

2016-04-10T16:14:30.767-05:00

The Northern Virginia rendering may look less impressive than IndyGo's renderings for the Red Line, but its price tag is more than triple the per-mile cost.

Your picture is not rapid transit, of any sort. Th...

2016-04-10T15:37:23.394-05:00

Your picture is not rapid transit, of any sort. That's just a bus hogging up street lanes that belong to cars.

This is bus rapid transit:

http://www.nbrti.org/media/gallery/newpits/images/b1-railroad.jpg

If they want "Bus Rapid Transit," they should close the Monon Trail and convert that right of way to dedicated busways.

This is BRT

http://tinyurl.com/hzmph2o

Look down at the road passing under the bridge. That's a highway solely devoted to bus transit. No cars are allowed on it. It works just like a train line, with stations, except the vehicles are buses.

Real BRT can be a good idea.

These Agenda 21 urban planners don't want real BRT. In their war on cars, the liberals want to destroy surface streets and stick the BRT label on the abomination.

https://www.change.org/p/mayor-joe-hogsett-indiana...

2016-04-10T14:06:29.235-05:00

https://www.change.org/p/mayor-joe-hogsett-indianapolis-metropolitan-development-commission-stop-the-indianapolis-red-line-transit-project/u/16166864?tk=E-4D5aNWwToqyGQUqcSjEly7QKhrgnaa6qZcu-kTlnc&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email I suppose the City Clowncil will get around to answering questions but it might take an ant hill and some honey. The deficit in City Structure of finance is squarely a deficit of structure in the City Clowncil. There is no stiffness in their spines or gonads. The most stiffness they have comes from their tightly wound knee pads.
They have basically been transformed into crumb catchers. The average dope thinks civic leaders are Shepherds. The nominally Christian knows them to be hirelings. The ruse used is to blame Ballard or Peterson or Hogsett. when it is clear that we either have a fiscal body or we don't. So, who is actually hiring these hirelings? What sort of gang of even marginal fiscal sorts can't cut a mere $50,000,000 of bloat?

I do not suppose anyone in an Official Capacity ha...

2016-04-10T12:46:16.514-05:00

I do not suppose anyone in an Official Capacity has ever calculated the cost of just expanding the existing system in lieu of this new scheme.

The Star and the rest of McMega-Media use the propaganda approach of Build it and they Will Come. They have their scrip and mouth and print the words. Alternatives and options to what exists will not be entertained.