Comments on Advance Indiana™: Pence Attacks One Of Her Law Firm's Clients

Three retired umpires are talking about which of t...

2008-09-19T07:29:00.000-05:00

Three retired umpires are talking about which of them was the best in their day. The first says, "I was the best because I called them as I saw 'em." The second one says, "I was the best because I called them LIKE THEY WERE." The third umpire laughs and said, "They weren't nothing until I called them."

I tell this story because the legal system operates on the idea that in the metaphysical sense, none of us REALLY knows what happened until we test the theories of both parties and have either the judge or jury reach a conclusion. America long ago embraced the "adversarial system," and we make both sides bring their best cases because we believe the truth will emerge through the crucible of cross-examination and a properly constructed trial.

There are two types of people in this world: those who respect this process, and those who seriously hate lawyers.

Every lawyer in law school takes professional responsibility, which is about the rules of professional conduct for lawyers, and further, we all are required to have a "fitness" interview as part of the bar process. But this training will never be enough for people who hate lawyers because it doesn't instruct lawyers to forego representing "slimy" people.

The lawyer haters operate with cocksure certainty in every case, which lets them play judge, jury, and executioner of both individuals and corporations.

I can hear those types now. "I would never represent a slimy rapist/murderer. You are deplorable, Barry Scheck!" Then Barry Scheck's DNA project exonerates that person, and we realize that A LOT of innocent people WITH lawyers go to death row. Make lawyers be more selective about who they represent because WE already KNOW their clients are wrongdoers, and this problem gets WORSE, not better. Look at some of the "slimy" people in Indiana who would have spent YEARS in prison without lawyers to prove they were innocent.

http://www.innocenceproject.org/news/state.php?state=IN

Corporations are even trickier morally because you always have questions of who knew what and when. As often as you have a corporate board acting unscrupulously, you have one or a handful of poorly supervised rogue employees making the entire company look sexist, racist, criminally negligent, or fraudulent.

My point, quite simply, is I wish I was arrogant enough to say I know the truth even without investigating.

The problem is I live in the real world.

www.ipopa.blogspot.com

Diana, you need to remember that many lawyers went...

2008-09-18T20:06:00.000-05:00

Diana, you need to remember that many lawyers went to law school only because they did not have what it took to get a professional job following their undergraduate work. So, on to law school. Ethics and integrity are not requirements. If their lack of integrity is deep enough, they can even be candidates for elected public service. This may sound distasteful, but unfortunately it is true. Because there are no restrictions on the number of lawyers, no vetting regarding ethics, integrity etc., those who are really committed to the good of this country (and there are many) are overshadowed by these bottom feeders.

I like somebody who will speak truth to power, eve...

2008-09-18T19:34:00.000-05:00

I like somebody who will speak truth to power, even to her own clients. Man, if only Roberto Gonzalez would have been that way.

In contrast, Steve Carter choses to put his head in the sand. He knows from before that a LOT of stations engaged in price gouging, and I bet had her cared to REALLY investigate he would have found the same thing was true here. I have no doubt that price went up, but I bet that every ten cent increase in prices for getting the gas to the stations results in a twenty cent increase at the pump. They pass on higher prices and then some.

Diana Vice said... This is why I could never be an...

2008-09-18T19:32:00.000-05:00

Diana Vice said...
This is why I could never be an attorney. I couldn't represent the selfish interests of slimy clients at the expense of taxpayers!

I am glad you are not an attorney. I am sure whatever you do you make sure the person who is your customer, client, patient is a saint before your accept them

This is why I could never be an attorney. I could...

2008-09-18T19:07:00.000-05:00

This is why I could never be an attorney. I couldn't represent the selfish interests of slimy clients at the expense of taxpayers!

Great. Their money is OK to take, and their issues...

2008-09-18T18:30:00.000-05:00

Great. Their money is OK to take, and their issues OK to push for, but _personally_, an attorney doesn't have to agree with the client. We call these people hypocrites.

So is Carl Brizzi a hypocrite because he was a state public defender and now is a prosecutor?

I think as an attorney you know well that just bec...

2008-09-18T16:24:00.000-05:00

I think as an attorney you know well that just because you represent a client doesn't mean you agree with that client or are responsible for their actions.

Great. Their money is OK to take, and their issues OK to push for, but _personally_, an attorney doesn't have to agree with the client. We call these people hypocrites.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Briley2/patrick103.ht...

2008-09-18T15:58:00.000-05:00

http://www.newswithviews.com/Briley2/patrick103.htm

BRZEZINSKI: OBAMA'S GLOBALIST "RASPUTIN"

".....The informant did not accept the position and reported the incident to Dr. Miles Costick and Congressional authorities including a high level staffer for George Tenet, the then staff director for the Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman, David Boren.

Unfortunately, David Boren turned out to be a long time socialist protégé of Brzezinksi and like Obama and Brzezinski, an advocate of world government rapprochement with the Communist Chinese and a strong supporter of Islamic terror groups and their aspirations of a world Islamic caliphate. Boren is now the Chancellor of the University of Oklahoma (OU) where he has presided over the deliberate cover-up of numerous Islamic terror attempts emanating out of OU (9/11, OU Bombing) and raised support and money from the Chinese and Muslims to back Obama for President..."

As much as I have questions about Pence, we cannot...

2008-09-18T14:20:00.000-05:00

As much as I have questions about Pence, we cannot afford another four years of a completely ineffectual Attorney General's Office. I will gladly support Zoeller over Pence, if Zoeller doesn't promise to continue Carter's do nothing approach to running the AG's office.

So independently owned and operated gas stations a...

2008-09-18T12:20:00.000-05:00

So independently owned and operated gas stations are now part of "big oil"? Ooooh. Scary.

The loyalty to the client doesn't evaporate when y...

2008-09-18T11:57:00.000-05:00

The loyalty to the client doesn't evaporate when you become a candidate for public office.

I think as an attorney you know well that just bec...

2008-09-18T11:36:00.000-05:00

I think as an attorney you know well that just because you represent a client doesn't mean you agree with that client or are responsible for their actions.