tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post7754876374422418200..comments2020-04-11T03:30:02.282-05:00Gary R. Welshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-49718406617690235152007-12-06T22:43:00.000-05:002007-12-06T22:43:00.000-05:00Gary,<BR/><BR/>I'm wondering if this murder of an Indianapolis Men's Chorus member wasn't a hate crime, too, in case you hadn't heard or seen:<BR/><BR/>http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071206/LOCAL/712060506/1006/LOCAL<BR/><BR/>The perp lived in the same complex, so it seems a real possibility of misunderstood intentions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-90819591948763672032007-12-06T21:51:00.000-05:002007-12-06T21:51:00.000-05:00anon 8:57, for a prosecutor, you make a lousy argument. A person can kill another person and be charged with any number of crimes depending upon his/her state of mind. Hate crimes legislation simply allows for enhanced sentencing based upon the person's state of mind. There's at least a dozen examples of such criminal enhancements in Indiana law already as you know.Gary R. Welshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-12682401467860579142007-12-06T20:57:00.000-05:002007-12-06T20:57:00.000-05:00Hate is a motive, nothing more. The motive behind a crime doesn't make me create a criminal charge that is any different. Motive is simply another fact I must prove in court when I'm trying a scumbag.<BR/><BR/>AR and anonymous 7:32 have the right idea.<BR/><BR/>- Anonymous ProsecutorAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-37327810228400141642007-12-06T10:38:00.000-05:002007-12-06T10:38:00.000-05:00There it is in a nut shell! Thanks, Jeff!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-29080497563764855992007-12-06T08:05:00.000-05:002007-12-06T08:05:00.000-05:00AR and 7:32, the point I think you are missing about hate crimes is that a hate crime is not necessarily the crime itself (in this case the act of vandalism), but whether the crime was intended to intimidate an entire group.<BR/><BR/>If you beat up a black man because he was messing with your girlfriend, no, you could not classify that as a hate crime (of course it is still a crime to beat someone up).<BR/><BR/>If you beat up a black man to send the message that blacks aren't welcome on this street after sundown, then you have indeed committed a hate crime.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-15672632159116908722007-12-06T07:32:00.000-05:002007-12-06T07:32:00.000-05:00I don't want to be attacked by you guys but why is it different? My business was damaged recently. They stole things, broke the window and caused some pain and fustration for all of us that work there. Why should the crime be different because someome is Jewish, black, white, or gay? I don't think that the people should get more time for damaging the Jewish center than the people that damaged my business. How would that be right? Like I said, I just don/'t understand.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-90819704575542869242007-12-06T01:58:00.000-05:002007-12-06T01:58:00.000-05:00Max Katz, media spokesperson for Hoosiers For Fair Taxation, told me he appreciates your local coverage of this story.<BR/><BR/>We cannot stress enough the importance of authentic tolerance of diversity.Hoosiers For Fair Taxationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07769828590881686787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-80090563104030552952007-12-05T23:54:00.000-05:002007-12-05T23:54:00.000-05:00As a Jew, I can't tell you how vehemently I oppose hate crime legislation. Vandalism is vandalism, whether or not it was targeted at Jews. The destruction or defacing of property is just as bad, regardless of whose property it is.<BR/><BR/>I object to such legislation because, frankly, it says that the same crime committed by two different people is worse if it's motivated by the particular group of the victim. That makes no sense to me.<BR/><BR/>Yes, this action at IU is crap, and someone ought to find out who did it and take them to the woodshed.<BR/><BR/>Hate crimes legislation wouldn't make it any better.<BR/><BR/>ARAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-65367608668527836432007-12-05T22:40:00.000-05:002007-12-05T22:40:00.000-05:00ISU had a hate crime?!?! There was a small noose laying by a tree at HALLOWEEN TIME?!?!?!? Lets overreact as usual from the liberal bastion of Ignorant State University.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-48869831765460046782007-12-05T20:36:00.000-05:002007-12-05T20:36:00.000-05:00Ok, look, it's another attempt to intimidate an entire community. They did not target an individual, but rather a whole group. It's time Indiana changed on this issue.<BR/><BR/>BTW Gary, I did not catch the incident at ISU.. What was it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-63535623968381755682007-12-05T20:25:00.000-05:002007-12-05T20:25:00.000-05:00Ugh.<BR/><BR/>A cold, snow-covred night, and I'm just starting to warm up, and oyu bring up Jackie W.<BR/><BR/>Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1367074584949045012007-12-05T19:17:00.000-05:002007-12-05T19:17:00.000-05:00Actually, I think Rep. Jackie<BR/>Wildhorsesky's amendment that<BR/>killing a fetus would be treated<BR/>as a hate crimeis what effectively <BR/>caused the bill to fail.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com