tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post7779129396199800575..comments2020-04-11T03:30:02.282-05:00Gary R. Welshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-52567504193836769832007-08-17T21:32:00.000-05:002007-08-17T21:32:00.000-05:009:30...don't forget Tax & Spend, and the elected Democrats ignore their tax bills and for some reason there is no tax sale of their property!<BR/><BR/>Look at the list of elected Democrats who are delinquent in their taxes!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-75960049753173526822007-08-17T21:30:00.000-05:002007-08-17T21:30:00.000-05:00Why not The Machine? <BR/><BR/>Never has there been so much corruption in Indianapolis public office...Democrats are corrupt.<BR/><BR/>Ghost employment, Official misconduct, theft of government funds, patronage, incompetence....DEMOCRATSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-85836996808654201792007-08-17T09:46:00.000-05:002007-08-17T09:46:00.000-05:00Attaboy, Gary!<BR/><BR/>Also from personal experience: using government property for a use that you'd otherwise have to pay a decent amount of money (as in free storage) is theft.<BR/><BR/>Taking an office pen home mitakenly, of course, is not. <BR/><BR/>Ergo the statutes use of the phrase "of reasonable value."<BR/><BR/>The Marion County prosecutor had, last Decemeber, two felony-free good citizens, wiling to testify under oath, that they'd seen the vehicles stored and that Drummer bragged he paid no rent. A quick search of township records would prove the rental thing.<BR/><BR/>For reasons I do not understand the prosecutor did not follow through.<BR/><BR/>I do know that Ice Miller was consulted about this situation, because the township's legal bills outlined the attorneys' discussion with certain authorities on this issue.<BR/><BR/>Seems like the circle is complete. Unless the township and Ice Miller conspired to alter the legal bills.<BR/><BR/>Or deny them altogether, as in the Lawrence Water "scrivener's notes" situation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-66666210778092728442007-08-17T07:15:00.000-05:002007-08-17T07:15:00.000-05:00Sorry, Lord Peter, but I happen to know a little bit about Indiana's public leasing laws. Drummer had no legal authority to hand over possession of township property without entering into a lease as provided by law. There is a reason behind that statute and this case presented no better example. The investors were allowed to make substantial improvements to the property before any attempt had been made to obtain the required building and zoning code requirement. Drummer gave them possession of the property rent-free. They had it for nearly a year before they were allowed to open for business legally. Drummer told Shabazz he hadn't even decided how much rent he was going to charge them. He said it would depend on how large their investment wound up being. The township's attorneys, Ice Miller, handled all the legal problems, even though one of its own partners had an ownership interest in 300 East. Drummer's blatant disregard for state and local laws does constitute official misconduct in office under my interpretation of the statute. And I disagree entirely with you that it is not illegal to give yourself or others rent-free space in a government-owned building with respect to the private collector cars.Gary R. Welshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-58688802219087035272007-08-17T07:09:00.000-05:002007-08-17T07:09:00.000-05:00Drummer shoul pay the township for storage of his automobiles in the Mass Annex Building.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-5540580466850816672007-08-17T06:12:00.000-05:002007-08-17T06:12:00.000-05:00anon 7:56, I wrote plenty about the Drummer legal issues at the time. Please feel free to check the archives under his name.Gary R. Welshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-18824524671104900572007-08-16T22:07:00.000-05:002007-08-16T22:07:00.000-05:00Let's see....Drummer is on the tax delinquincy list (as is banned Wilson). <BR/><BR/>Drummer has a patronage payroll over 100+ employees...that are not needed. He has 3 giant buildings owned by taxpayers that are not needed, and one has a bar owned by cronys.<BR/><BR/>Drummer has a car illegally equipped with flashing lights and siren....<BR/><BR/>The owners of that bar are members of The Democrat Machine.<BR/><BR/>It stinks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-73816905336973088872007-08-16T21:07:00.000-05:002007-08-16T21:07:00.000-05:00Drummer may owe the public an explanation, but 7:56 is correct - Brizzi is not following up on this because what Drummer did is not a crime. No statute prohibits turning over property to investors without a lease or without obtaining proper zoning for the intended use.<BR/><BR/>Nor is keeping vehicles on township property conversion, which a quick check of the statute will confirm - check IC 35-43-4-3. And the definition of "exert control over property" at IC 35-43-4-1 makes this even more clear.<BR/><BR/>Hobbs, on the other hand, stole money and used it to pay his rent.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07519737020352873595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-80931876769565715292007-08-16T21:05:00.000-05:002007-08-16T21:05:00.000-05:00Jeff Modisett looked the other way on Julia Carson when she was Trustee.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-72542515966230471612007-08-16T20:39:00.000-05:002007-08-16T20:39:00.000-05:007:56: when Mr. Drummer used township property to store personal vehicles for free, which I know for a fact he has done for long periods of time, he commited theft by conversion.<BR/><BR/>And I am 100% certain the prosecutor's office has had this information for at least seven months.<BR/><BR/>Plus, altho it's not illegal, he's a first-class prick. Driving around in a township-paid unmarked police cruiser, fully outfitted.<BR/><BR/>To chase all those skalawag poor relief receipients, no doubt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-82071657804569335822007-08-16T19:56:00.000-05:002007-08-16T19:56:00.000-05:00Gary, <BR/><BR/>You're a lawyer, please detail the code sites of the laws you think Drummer broke. While we may not like the things he does, and normal electorate should throw him out on his ass, he seems to skate just barely on the right side of legal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-66882409104916041512007-08-16T18:37:00.000-05:002007-08-16T18:37:00.000-05:00So ask him, Gary!Wilson46201https://www.blogger.com/profile/14214029150233485312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-84357345712433185082007-08-16T18:32:00.000-05:002007-08-16T18:32:00.000-05:00I just think he owes the public an explanation of what his office has done to investigate serious allegations of wrongdoing in Drummer's office. Early media reports said his office was looking into the matter, but we've never received any further information from his office on what an investigation found, if it was conducted, and why charges haven't been brought.Gary R. Welshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-60842636885865271062007-08-16T18:29:00.000-05:002007-08-16T18:29:00.000-05:00So what are you implying about County Prosecutor Carl Brizzi?Wilson46201https://www.blogger.com/profile/14214029150233485312noreply@blogger.com