Comments on Advance Indiana™: Are Hovey Street Murders Tied To Pea Shake Houses?

what the hell if it was a mugshot you twit...that'...

2009-06-02T17:31:14.118-05:00

what the hell if it was a mugshot you twit...that's irrevalant in this case 4 people are dead...i agree those girls did put those babies in harms way...but at the same time their not here to tell the story... so dumba$$ pray for the families and not worry about a mugshot f--king moron!

Am I the only one who thinks the picture of the wo...

2008-01-22T12:36:00.000-05:00

Am I the only one who thinks the picture of the woman in the lower right-hand corner looks like a mug shot?

It dont really matter if it was part of a pea shak...

2008-01-19T19:06:00.000-05:00

It dont really matter if it was part of a pea shake house.that still dont give nobody the right to kill nobody,so whoever did should be n jail or n hell for kill them people.Them babys did not do shit...

Anonymous, you've spoken truth one several subject...

2008-01-18T16:55:00.000-05:00

Anonymous, you've spoken truth one several subjects. You sound like you KNOW the game either from a legal standpoint or from being IN the game. Unfortunately people like you aren't the ones that anyone will listen to. The pea shake house idea doesn't make any sense at all. Bottom line is both ladies in that home knew what the house was about. What is unfortunate is they assumed all was well because someone provided them with a false sense of security, and enough time passed and they settled back into their comfort zone. When its all said and done when something is going to happen video cameras are not going to stop it. We have all gotten some type of warning whether it was because of some crap or on the job and it's up to you as a person to take that warning and run with it. There is six years difference between my age and those girls age and a warning like the first one they got is all it takes when a child is put in harms way. What happened in this story goes back to how these people were raised and the lack of accountability that parents have for their grown children

sorry people all of you should get a life. first o...

2008-01-18T15:24:00.000-05:00

sorry people all of you should get a life. first off there are thousands and i mean thousands of houses in indianapolis that have everything in them that the hovey street house had.it is not now and never was a peashake house!all of the peashake houses in indianapolis are well known by all black residents and most white who care to look!they have been in the neighborhoods for more than my 50 plus years and have always been sanctioned by the city government and the prosecutor himself. but since we got a black sherriff they all of a sudden became an issue "what are you going to do about the peashake houses?" anderson should have said"the same thing the last 100 white sherriffs have done, take my cut" grow up indianapolis you wanted a big fancy town and now you have big fancy crime. they go hand in hand oh and by the way..POLICE DO NOT STOP CRIME..everytime there is a news worthy crime we keep hearing promises of more police. you could throw 1000 more police right in this neighberhood and you would not stop one nickel bag from being sold! You know why?? because police show up AFTER the crime,if ever!Think about it,do you think 3000 more firemen would reduce the number of fires in the city?? of course not because they get there AFTER the fire!Quality of life and quality jobs stop crime..and you crazy people believe you can tell a peashake house by a sattelite dish.there are at most 5 peashake houses in the city at any given time.each operator and i believe there are just 2 men who own them. the neighberhood knows who these men are,the police know who these men are and local government knows who these men are because everyone has gotten there cut for years. and only people who think you can spot a peashake house by a dish would believe otherwise.by the way everyone around here knows that the hovey house was used maybe a few times a month for card games for a few older players. just so you know..YOU CAN ONLY PLAY PEASHAKE AT A HOUSE SANCTIONED BY DOWNTOWN. IF NOT YOUR HOUSE WOULD BE CLOSED DOWN IN 60 MINUTES,NOT 60 YEARS!!Put away the starwars cds people, open your eyes, your leaders are skrewing you

I feel that some people are insesitive to the situ...

2008-01-17T02:22:00.000-05:00

I feel that some people are insesitive to the situation this young lady did not have a good life and had nowhere to go its sad to see that some people are not paying attention to whats wrong the KILLINGS. I hope Dick or the owner of the home is arrested in connection

Scott Newman can not bust a Pea Shake House becaus...

2008-01-17T01:30:00.000-05:00

Scott Newman can not bust a Pea Shake House because he shakes so much he can not even pee by himself. Bust a Pea Shake or Pee while he Shakes?? I am confused!
What a joke. Good choice Ballard!

Prosecutor Newman will NOT bust the peashake house...

2008-01-17T01:17:00.000-05:00

Prosecutor Newman will NOT bust the peashake houses because they use them for a source of law enforcement informants. They simply agree to bust the house periodically, so they can have a paper trail that demonstrates they've made a good faith effort to the DOJ. The Peashake houses are to have around $5000.00 on premises and are contacted ahead of time to the assistant police Chief Wyatt.

Isn't that ironic. We should inquire of Jon Elrod IF we send him to congress will he DEMAND the DOJ investigate racketeering in Marion county?

anon 958am,Ballard certainly can't send out the po...

2008-01-16T22:48:00.000-05:00

anon 958am,

Ballard certainly can't send out the police because he has no control over them right now. Hopefully that will change soon so he can make a real impact.

I appreciate the discussion, but I'm concerned abo...

2008-01-16T22:25:00.000-05:00

I appreciate the discussion, but I'm concerned about people naming certain individuals or businesses being associated with drug activities, particularly when they are posted anonymously.

9:38, no, I'm not a narc, and surely you jest.

2008-01-16T22:18:00.000-05:00

9:38, no, I'm not a narc, and surely you jest.

2008-01-16T22:17:00.000-05:00

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2008-01-16T22:11:00.000-05:00

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2008-01-16T21:40:00.000-05:00

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5:31 PM EST - please. You must be a narc. The on...

2008-01-16T21:38:00.000-05:00

5:31 PM EST - please. You must be a narc. The only time anyone I know - out of dozens of people over 3 decades - has gotten bad pot is when it wasn't strong enough.

2008-01-16T19:31:00.000-05:00

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Nice try connecting this with pea shake houses, bu...

2008-01-16T19:27:00.000-05:00

Nice try connecting this with pea shake houses, but you lose. There are tons of homes in central Indiana with pounds of weed, scales, guns and cameras as they're paranoid. Silly rabbit.

Olgen Williams cannot pronounce or spell violence!...

2008-01-16T19:11:00.000-05:00

Olgen Williams cannot pronounce or spell violence!!

anon 610 am hit the nail on the head. nuff said.

2008-01-16T18:20:00.000-05:00

anon 610 am hit the nail on the head. nuff said.

does indy have a drug house ordinance like fort wa...

2008-01-16T18:12:00.000-05:00

does indy have a drug house ordinance like fort waynes?
its not the drugs and gambling that breeds crime. its people, and base human greed. its about the money, or lack thereof.
desparate pepole, or so-called "players" are the types of people who frequent these 'dives", after hours joints, illegal casinos, drug houses. wanting to score some easy money. I'm not a social scientist, or law enforcement /justice expert, but in short, i'd say "its the economy, stupid"- reminds me of the Harlem of NY during the 60's, and the days of "american gangster".
Malcolm X also documented the poverty and despair of the ghetto- which is universal, thus the appeal of Barack Obama, and hope for the black man in america.

Eclecticvibe, I think you're more right than wrong...

2008-01-16T17:31:00.000-05:00

Eclecticvibe, I think you're more right than wrong. It's a difficult issue. Except:

Your supply chain argument is weak at best. Ask any ER doc. Countless folks end up there, and, when their ailment is fully determined, it's a bad bunch of pot.

True, sometimes bad bunches of chili soup send folks to the ER. But except for the gastro effects, rarely do other things result from food poisoning. AnN certainly no addiction.

One ER doc friend in California estimates one-tenth of his work is due to improper use of drugs, and almost half of that is a problem with the cleanliness of supply. Ironically, he aruges for complete legalization to have the FDA regulate this just like they regulate penicillin.

It's a tough issue for me, and I admit I'm not completely objective. One very dear friend is partially disabled as a result of some bad pot in 1995--it was laced with some Drano or some such nonsense. He was a researcher, a contributing member of society, and now we all pay for his upkeep.

I'm not typically a fan of government regulation. But the FDA, even when presidents like Bush politicize it, has a remarkable record for product safety. It's unmatched in the world.

Maybe I need more time to come over to the dark side, er, your side.

Be patient.

Yet and still, regardless of supply chain integrity, these murders sound more and more like they resulted from good old-fashioned turf wars.

Which has nothing to do with the purity of the street pot.

I hope I'm wrong. It's a very sad case. It looks as if two babies who had no say in their mothers' potential improper activities, are now in their eternal home as a result of their mothers' activities.

What is in the safe?Who owns the property?Are the ...

2008-01-16T14:34:00.000-05:00

What is in the safe?

Who owns the property?

Are the owner and dealer one and the same?

Is anybody connected with this property politically connected?

Something's fishy.

So does prohibiting marijuana lessen the harm it c...

2008-01-16T14:21:00.000-05:00

So does prohibiting marijuana lessen the harm it causes? Does it stop anyone from using marijuana? I'd argue that the incarceration causes more harm to the user than the drug ever could. Marijuana is a gateway drug to our prison system. I do believe in offering help to those who have addiction issues with any substance. I just don't believe that outlawing marijuana provides any benefit to our society. Lots of things are bad for us. Lots of things can ruin lives. Lots of things can be addictive. Pot happens to be one of them. I worry less about the supply chain. Just because marijuana isn't packaged by a large corporate supply chain, doesn't mean it must be prohibited. While we prohibited alcohol, the supply chain was similar. For thousands of years people have used cannabis with no regulation and no supply chain to control the product. Our problem comes when we relegate something for which there is such a high demand to the realm of illegal activity. Then rather than coming from legitimate supply chains, it becomes an underground enterprise, and we wind up with the end result of the Hovey Street murders.

It's a slippery slope, eclectic. It's illegal for...

2008-01-16T13:01:00.000-05:00

It's a slippery slope, eclectic.

It's illegal for a reason. I've seen two lives ruined by pot.

Yeah, some other subtances should probably be illegal, too...but the connection oft made between pot and alcohol isn't even close. The science is not totally conclusive, but it's close enough.

Pot is more often than not a gateway drug. And even if you only use pot, it is distributed by a series of unregulated street folks.

What other substance that you ingest has this kind of loose distribution trail? You have no idea where that stuff came from.
It could be laced with chemicals, or worse. The supply chain is a scary situation at best.

That is not necessarily an argument for regulating it. It is, however, an argument for keeping things as they are for now.

It's just that there is a rapidly-growing subculture which accepts it. Readily. And that group is larger than it's ever been.

Instead of building more jail cells to incarcerate...

2008-01-16T12:02:00.000-05:00

Instead of building more jail cells to incarcerate someone for simply selling marijuana, how about decriminalizing the substance all together? Perhaps the money saved from the incarcerations can be used to reduce tax burdens. If pot was sold and regulated like alcohol, this whole problem of dangerous distribution houses simply goes away. Potheads get their weed, the government gets the taxes levied on the pot, and everyone is happy.