Comments on Advance Indiana™: CIB Still Has No Plan B

20 minutes... An hour... How many acres of forest...

2009-06-02T19:18:11.621-05:00

20 minutes... An hour... How many acres of forest and fields is an hour of your life worth.

There is more to life than the time measured on another super highway.

http://deis.i69indyevn.org/DEIS/deis/CH06/CH06_p12-16.pdf

4 bN dollars, unavoidable damage to forests, etc etc etc. It isn't worth it.

"Travel time will also be significantly reduced -- by nearly a half-hour -- between Indianapolis and Evansville."

http://www.i69tour.org/chamber_chats.html

HALF a BLOODY HOUR!!!! Four Billion DOLLARS FOR HALF AN HOUR! Yes, we REALLY need that. Bull pucky.

I take that back. Since it now takes 3 1/2 hours ...

2009-06-01T15:54:20.136-05:00

I take that back. Since it now takes 3 1/2 hours to get t Eville, a straight shot down a 135 mile long intrestate might take 2 1/2 hours. That's an hour's difference.

Jon, I don't for a second buy the argument that i...

2009-06-01T09:04:46.416-05:00

Jon,

I don't for a second buy the argument that it is an "alleged difference in time." It is a real difference in time. The direct I-69 route will cut nearly 70 miles off the I-70/U.S. 41 route to EVansville that passes through Terre Haute, which is well over 200 miles I know people ahve said there will only be 5 or so minutes diference between the routes. There is no way. You're talking 70 miles less traveling plus you're traveling at interstate speed all the way. I would bet it will cut off 45 minutes off the commute.

Side note on I-69 extension, I agree we need one b...

2009-06-01T02:59:31.188-05:00

Side note on I-69 extension, I agree we need one but not through the Hoosier National Forest at an additional 600-800 million dollars more than the alternate route. At this point in time how can we afford it? The alleged difference in time between the two routes is trivial compared to how long it takes now.

Dana, You had me until that I-69 comment. I used...

2009-05-31T19:55:33.876-05:00

Dana,

You had me until that I-69 comment. I used to drive to Evansville on a regular basis. This state desperately needs that road.

You know, I ran across a girl at the Shell station...

2009-05-31T18:01:48.317-05:00

You know, I ran across a girl at the Shell station at Washington and Emerson hooking today. She looked ill and undernourished. Washington and Emerson...

While the city, run by rich, privileged white plutocrats worries about how to run a giant barn for more rich people to play in (and how to finance a worthless I-69 extension) the poor are getting poorer, jobs scarcer, food less safe and schools are going into the tank.

We need taxes (but not to pay for barns that hulking steroid plastered monsters can play in). We need progress away from auto parts manufacturing and coal power plants. We need schools with a logical disciplinary structure and less emphasis on standardized robot tests. We need data networks at least as fast as Japan has.

We need to be honest with ourselves and we need to take care of our kids. While Indianapolis was slobbering all over the NFL to get a Superbowl, the real business of this city was forgotten. Humanity IS OUR BUSINESS.

Meanwhile, kids are hooking on our streets because there is nothing else for them. We should be ashamed.

Dana Curtis Kincaid

I couldn't agree more with the statement that the ...

2009-05-31T13:15:28.490-05:00

I couldn't agree more with the statement that the best thing is to give LOS back to the state. At least then someone will finally look into the finanacial quagmire that this has become and it will remove all of the locally vested interests from the process.

Is not Bob Grand a lawyer? Is not Pat Early a CPA...

2009-05-31T08:20:13.223-05:00

Is not Bob Grand a lawyer? Is not Pat Early a CPA? Is not their job to figure out things like this?

I would think either filing for bankrupcty or handing the facility back to the state would serve the same purpose, namely tearing up the existing lease contract. The contract is between the CIB and the Colts. Although it's been awhile since I looked at it, I do not recall anything in there spelling out transfer of the agreement should CIB give up control of the facility.

Whether Grand, Ballard, O'Shaughnessy (or any of the other playes) continue to deny it or not, that contract is the root cause of the CIB's financial problems.

And I do believe Grand has a 'Plan B' - depart the CIB and let someone else clean up the mess.