Comments on Advance Indiana™: Obama Finally Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate

AI: You misunderstand my comment. Should someone...

2011-04-28T01:29:21.639-05:00

AI:

You misunderstand my comment. Should someone born in the U.S. of at least one U.S. parent (particularly a U.S. mother since fatherhood is always a matter of faith) be denied the presidency because a second country decides he qualifies for citizenship in that country even if that person never takes any steps to claim that citizenship.

Or, if as a minor child his parents decided to pursue citizenship in another nation. Should that person be denied the presidency even if once he reached majority he renounces the other country's citizenship and lives as a U.S citizen.

According to your logic if the King of the Kingdom of Boobastan declared all U.S. citizens are also Boobastanians then no one could be president.

Your right, Kip. The very first Immigration and Na...

2011-04-27T21:25:36.729-05:00

Your right, Kip. The very first Immigration and Naturalization Act defined the term "natural born citizen" as follows:

"the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States."

That enactment was repealed a few years later. Note Obama's father was in the U.S. only as a student on a non-immigrant visa; he was not a permanent resident. That law would have saved McCain but not Obama if the Supreme Court had ever ruled on its validity.

"A federal statute cannot change the meaning ...

2011-04-27T21:03:27.979-05:00

"A federal statute cannot change the meaning of a constitutional term." is your quote...but all the time federal statutes attempt to add or expand on constitutional prose. And in this case they did exactly that. By your own admission the words "natural born citizen" is open to interpretation. His mother was born in Kansas, his father in Kenya, he was born in Hawaii. His mother, a natural born american gave birth to him on american soil, in an american hospital. There is no legal issue here. He was born here. And the issue of Indonesia is laughable. He was a child, he did not have the ability to give up his American citizenship when he was a child. Please Gary, I enjoy your writing but this you must let go...the guy is the legitimate President of the United States

"African" would not have been the nomenc...

2011-04-27T20:59:41.668-05:00

"African" would not have been the nomenclature typically used in that period. More likely it would have said "Negro" or "Black." A person from Egypt or a white South African would never be described as "African" for purposes of listing one's race. Perhaps blacks were such a rarity in Hawaii they didn't know better.

By the way, for anyone interested Phil Berg gave a...

2011-04-27T20:38:30.082-05:00

By the way, for anyone interested Phil Berg gave a detailed interview to Alex Jones today on his daily podcast about the release of this certificate.

Jones thinks it is a CIA created document.

Phil Berg(original attorney who exposed birth cert fraud) says the bigger issue is Obama's Indonesian citizenship and the $2million Obama has spent fighting Phil Berg so far.

Here's another question about race. His birth...

2011-04-27T20:35:08.318-05:00

Here's another question about race. His birth cert says he is "African". Did they use that term in 1961?

Good questions, Melyssa, which should have been he...

2011-04-27T18:04:22.062-05:00

Good questions, Melyssa, which should have been heard and answered by the Supreme Court given the legitimacy concerns that have ensued. The elites have no idea how much the government's legitimacy among the masses has eroded over the last several years. People have reached a point where they don't believe anything the government tells them anymore, and there is good reason for it. We've been lied to on so many important issues. Obama could have travelled to Pakistan at the time on a U.S. passport, although State Department advisories would have warned against travel there. As I understand it, he travelled with a friend whose father was a high-ranking person within the Pakistani government and stayed with the friend's family during his visit. Quite unusual for a relative unknown boy from Honolulu.

Didn't he have to give up his citizenship to t...

2011-04-27T17:44:29.653-05:00

Didn't he have to give up his citizenship to the U.S. to be a citizen of Indonesia?

Can a person who gave up their citizenship or is a dual citizen be president?

Also, on what passport did he travel to Pakistan back in 1981? People traveling on American passports were not allowed to travel to Pakistan then, right?

Marv, A lot of people dislike the natural born cit...

2011-04-27T17:25:04.787-05:00

Marv, A lot of people dislike the natural born citizenship requirement in the Consitution. Like it or not, it's there. When people didn't like that women had no right to vote, they amended the Constitution to change that. When people didn't think it was fair that 18-year-olds were sent off to war to fight for their country but couldn't vote, they amended the Constitution. The liberal thinking today says we can simply rewrite any provision of the Constitution we don't like to meet our contemporary thinking on any issue. At that point, the document ceases to be worth the paper it is written on. Everything in it is subject to the whim of what a majority of the members of the Supreme Court decides it means at any given time. We cease to be a nation of laws and become a nation of men.

First, I tend to agree with you and Ellen. This i...

2011-04-27T17:15:18.536-05:00

First, I tend to agree with you and Ellen. This is a pure distraction. There are a lot more important issues to get tied up over than this issue. (By the way I feel McCain had a lot less of a case of claiming to be a natural born citizen than Obama).

Secondly, using your definition of "Natural Born Citizen" you are opening up a real can of worms. Have you ever looked at the citizenship laws of the various countries throughout the world. More U.S. citizens than you realize may have dual or at least an inchoate right to citizenship in another country than you . . . or even they realize. The most obvious example is Israel. Should Jews be excluded from the Presidency since by right of the Law of Return they have the option claiming Israeli citizenship. Many countries give children of Naturalized U.S. citizens the right to reclaim the citizenship their parents left behind . . . some even permit grandchildren to reclaim such citizenship rights.

A statute that makes a person a citizen at birth d...

2011-04-27T14:23:18.804-05:00

A statute that makes a person a citizen at birth does not negate the meaning of natural born citizen. This point has been gone over repeatedly. A federal statute cannot change the meaning of a constitutional term.

If he was born in Hawaii, he is a natural born cit...

2011-04-27T14:13:27.793-05:00

If he was born in Hawaii, he is a natural born citizen. 8 USC 1401(a).

If he was born outside the US, he is a natural born citizen because even though his father was an alien, his mother was a US citizen who, prior to his birth, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years. 8 USC 1401(g).

But this whole thing is still a disaster for Obama, who is getting hammered now to release his college and law school records, too.

Someday, he will have to release his budget.

Ellen, You ignorant ..... I have never challenged ...

2011-04-27T11:50:41.644-05:00

Ellen, You ignorant ..... I have never challenged the issue of whether he is a citizen, only a natural born citizen. It's a sad commentary that we've dumbed down our people on the meaning of their Constitution to the point where people like you are incapable of grasping the distinction between a citizen and a natural born citizen.

Oh, please! Give it up! He's a citizen, born...

2011-04-27T11:40:09.084-05:00

Oh, please!

Give it up!

He's a citizen, born in the USA with an American citizen mother.

Enough already!

What I find interesting is that as recently as a f...

2011-04-27T11:23:47.261-05:00

What I find interesting is that as recently as a few days ago, the Hawaii Dept. of Health kept insisting it does not furnish long-form birth certificates. There were numerous posting of images of long-form birth certificates other Hawaii residents had obtained from the Dept. even within the last year. Why did they lie about something the state law clearly provided persons were entitled to get from the department?

Trump completely bitch slapped Obama. For the f...

2011-04-27T10:47:56.885-05:00

Trump completely bitch slapped Obama.

For the first time in his life, the charlatan HAD to obey the people's wishes.

Failed President Obama HATED it.