Comments on Advance Indiana™: Ted Cruz Releases Birth Certificate: Claims His Canadian Birth Certificate Proves He's A Natural Born Citizen

The only Indonesian records produced show that he ...

2013-08-22T15:08:23.373-05:00

The only Indonesian records produced show that he is identified as an Indonesian citizen. I realize you don't like that fact, but the only excuse you have been able to provide when you've trolled this site previously was that his parents lied when they enrolled him in school since only Indonesian citizens were allowed at the time to enroll in the schools he attended there. It's never been proven that Barack Obama, Sr. is his paternal father. The INS records released on BO, Sr. prove that immigration officials did not believe he was the father of the child known as Barack Obama, Jr.. The father filed extensions of his student visa where he neglected to even mention having a son to Ann Dunham. There is no marriage record for them in Hawaii; the only thing that has been produced is a divorce record, which had no provision for child support. Because he had claimed to be married to Ann Dunham on prior filings, he was having trouble marrying his second American wife (third wife including the one back in Kenya) and taking her back to Kenya with him, which necessitated a legal document showing he was not married to Ann Dunham. The only masquerade was done to hide the identity of his true biological father, which was likely the man who molested his mother as a teenager, Frank Marshall Davis.

I'm not going to argue the NBC point any further. I've done a hell of lot more research on the subject than you have, and I have a much better legal understanding of what the term means than you. Furthermore, English common law is NOT used to interpret our U.S. Constitution. In case you forget, we fought the American Revolution to win our independence from the British monarchy. We sure as hell didn't incorporate the King's laws into our Constitution. Natural born citizens don't require a naturalization statute to make them citizens. Ted Cruz is a citizen by virtue of an act passed by Congress, which has no authority to make someone a natural born citizen simply by passing a law and making them such. The statute on its face only makes him a citizen, not an NBC.

Regarding: ". Obama also became a citizen of ...

2013-08-22T11:59:31.812-05:00

Regarding: ". Obama also became a citizen of Indonesia after he was adopted by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro, and renamed Barry Soetoro."

Answer: Obama NEVER was a citizen of Indonesia as a simple telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy in Washington will confirm. Nor was he adopted by Soetoro, which requires the action of a district court in Indonesia (or for that matter in Hawaii) and no court papers have ever been shown.

Obama simply use the Indonesian name of his Indonesian step-father when he was in Indonesia as a convenience. Since he never legally changed his name, he did not have t change it back.

Regarding the meaning of Natural Born Citizen. NO US court, not even the Minor v. Happersett case that birthers are fond of, has EVER said that two citizen parents are required in order to be a NBC, and the US Supreme Court ruled six to two (one justice not voting) in the Wong Kim Ark decision that the meaning of NBC comes from the common law (hence NOT from Vattel) and that it includes every child born on US soil---with the exception of the children of foreign diplomats.

"Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.”---Senator Lindsay Graham (December 11, 2008 letter to constituents)

And there have now been EIGHT state court rulings on Obama alone, and one federal court ruling, and one more state court ruling on McCain. All TEN of them said that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen was defined by the US Supreme Court in the Wong Kim Ark case, and all ten said that the Wong Kim Ark case said that the meaning of Natural Born came from the common law (as Meese also said), and that it referred to the place of birth (as Meese, Hatch and Graham all say), and that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US Citizen.

More reading on the subject:

http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/02/birtherism-2012

http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/04/vattel-and-natural-born-citizen/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause_of_the_U.S._Constitution

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/scotus-natural-born-citizen-a-compendium.html

The first Immigration & Nationality Act enacte...

2013-08-19T16:38:04.850-05:00

The first Immigration & Nationality Act enacted by the first Congress actually added a definition for "natural born citizen" to include children born of U.S. diplomats while serving the country abroad. Implicit in that definition was the exclusion of all other children born of U.S. citizens abroad. Subsequent acts of Congress removed the definition, some argue because early members of Congress did not believe that constitutional terms should be defined by statute; rather, they should be interpreted by courts consistent with the framers' intent when the Constitution was drafted. The framers only referred to the term "natural born" citizens in reference to presidential eligibility. The framers also grandfathered in all persons who were U.S. citizens at the time of the enactment of the Constitution, again signaling to us the distinction between persons who are deemed citizens by statute or through the naturalization process as opposed to those who are natural born. If persons like Cruz were natural born, then Congress would have never been required to enact a statute making persons like him a citizen at birth.

Originally I thought the "natural born" ...

2013-08-19T14:31:04.337-05:00

Originally I thought the "natural born" provision of the Constitution was as Bayer said. But the historical evidence I've seen suggests that the Framers did not simply mean "natural born" to mean a person who hadn't gone through the naturalization process. Speaking of which, did they even have the naturalization process back in 1789? I'm not sure they did. I think that came later.

You can't point to a single authoritative cour...

2013-08-19T12:12:41.652-05:00

You can't point to a single authoritative court decision to prove your point. The Supreme Court has only stated in dicta that it has never been disputed that a person born to U.S. citizen parents within the U.S. is a natural born citizen; the question of whether the term meant that children born within the U.S. of parents who weren't citizens were also natural born was open for debate. Children not born on American soil are not natural born citizens regardless of their parents' citizenship. McCain skirted around it by claiming that his parents were stationed on a military base in Panama at the time of his birth. Children born to U.S. citizens abroad only became citizens by operation of statutes later adopted by Congress. If they were natural born, there would have been no need for the statutes.

You are wrong. A natural born citizen is one who ...

2013-08-19T11:26:02.120-05:00

You are wrong. A natural born citizen is one who is a US citizen at birth, and does not have to go through the naturalization process to become a US citizen. Thus, George Romney, McCain, Obama, and Cruz are natural born US citizens and are eligible to be President.

It's really not as complicated as you make it out to be.