tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post8886871422285022379..comments2020-04-11T03:30:02.282-05:00Gary R. Welshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-86263291884748223692008-02-21T22:22:00.000-05:002008-02-21T22:22:00.000-05:00Aren't there more important issues than cars?<BR/> Would someone like to borrow my 1985 AMC Renault Convertable for the next debate?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-13297362598609694762008-02-21T19:35:00.000-05:002008-02-21T19:35:00.000-05:006:37...I've been a Libertarian since 2003. They've never asked me for money to volunteer. <BR/><BR/>If they have a fundraiser, they require you to pay to come because they pay for drinks and dinners, etc. Perhaps your friend got an invite to a fundraiser and was confused?<BR/><BR/>If your wants to volunteer for the Libertarians, call me. I'll give work to do and won't ask for a cent. In fact, I'll probably extend an invite to dinner at the end of the day...my treat! <BR/><BR/>What you are saying just does not ring true. If you would give me more details, I would get to the bottom of it. <BR/><BR/>Have your friend call me to volunteer and we shall make it possible and make sure the state executive director knows the details of your friend's story. <BR/><BR/>317-938-8913Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-19306173915143486672008-02-21T18:37:00.000-05:002008-02-21T18:37:00.000-05:00245 PM - that was funny!!!! I do know someone invited to the Libertarian party, but if they wanted to play, ie volunteer, they had to bring money to the table. What a bunch of crap. No vote from me if those are their rules.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-8112045890361525392008-02-21T18:22:00.000-05:002008-02-21T18:22:00.000-05:00Carson's repeated comments on law enforcement would lead one to believe that he was some kind of a super cop. In reality most LEO’s consider him just one notch above a security guard. <BR/>His comment on gun control was condescending. I believe that André thinks that he and only he is qualified to know who should own and carry a handgun. <BR/>Preposterous.indyerniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03817373902728915873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-70093942529179115052008-02-21T18:17:00.000-05:002008-02-21T18:17:00.000-05:005:49<BR/>While you might not like it that people do drugs, you might be surprised to learn how much harsher drug offenders' sentences can be than those with violent crimes.<BR/><BR/>You should investigate how much it costs YOU, the taxpayer to send these perpetrators of victimless crimes through the courts and ultimately how much your share is to pay to imprison them.<BR/><BR/>Meanwhile, violent crime keeps marching forward. A lot of violent crime is directly related to drug trafficking. A lot of drug trafficking would disappear if drugs were legal. <BR/><BR/>It's not an easy problem, but we've got to do something to stop the money hemmorraging of America, don't we?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-54480082969401367182008-02-21T17:49:00.000-05:002008-02-21T17:49:00.000-05:00My problem with Libertarians (capital "L") is that their principles dictate opposition to drug laws as well as laws against other of what they consider "victimless crimes".<BR/><BR/>How does the line go..."a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds". The "principled consistency" that leads Libertarians to oppose all kinds of law and regulation overlooks some commonsense necessities in organized society. It is indeed foolish consistency. IMO it will always prevent the election of Libertarians to national offices.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-38912990200477473562008-02-21T16:14:00.000-05:002008-02-21T16:14:00.000-05:002:45<BR/>Imagine if no one ever held believed that blacks and women would get the vote.<BR/><BR/>Once upon a time, people never thought gays could come out of the closet. <BR/><BR/>Kennedy announced America would be first on the moon. Few believed it to be possible then. It only took 5 or 6 years until we were making history! Was Kennedy smoking crack? <BR/><BR/>In the 60's when Star Trek was on the air, no one thought the internet or cell phones were possible...yet, it became real.<BR/><BR/>Anything we want can be manifest. And America wants and needs hope.<BR/><BR/>A Libertarian in Congress will send a message across this nation appropriately from the HEARTLAND that America's people are ready for a real reform. <BR/><BR/>A libertarian in Congress will send a clear message from the people that both parties are on notice and that a 3rd party, still clean and pure, has arrived.<BR/><BR/>The theme for 2008 is "Hope" and "Change". Get used to it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-40572667269060423512008-02-21T14:45:00.000-05:002008-02-21T14:45:00.000-05:00<I>Imagine the hope America will feel to hear that the heartland woke up and made a bold move to create change in how we are governed by electing a completely competent and principled Libertarian to be 1st in Congress.</I><BR/><BR/>Someone's been hitting the crack pipe again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-25173566036167809272008-02-21T13:12:00.000-05:002008-02-21T13:12:00.000-05:00Indiana Equality is a class act and so is the Jesus Metropolitan Community Church. In my mind both, were the winners last night. The people at the church made me think about attending church again. There was no judgement there. It felt safe and neutral. <BR/><BR/>The debate rocked! Sean blew me away and made me very happy I did not get the Libertarian nod to run because the issues clearly take years of study to understand to the degree that Sean Shepard does. <BR/><BR/>I plan to vote for Jon Elrod in the future...just not on March 11. My take on Jon is that he's an honest and thoughtful guy. I was particularly impressed that he indicated he would staff the congressional office with people that knew how to work through gov't bureaucracy to get things done because that's where the rubber meets the road. <BR/><BR/>With the developments going on with our assessments, I hope that Elrod will take a hard stance in the statehouse for property tax reform and repeal. We need his voice in the state house for us. <BR/>This is the worse year ever for citizens and we desperately need his help. <BR/><BR/>As far as Carson, does he not know that this whole town knows he got his job at Cripe Architects to simply pay him for influencing city contracts to them? <BR/><BR/>Carson wants our inept government to grow even larger, yet acknowledges that government is screwed up and offered no plan to fix anything. <BR/><BR/>If I didn't know the candidates, I'd have a hard time picking between Elrod and Shepard. <BR/><BR/>However, what on earth can it hurt for Indiana to make history by electing the 1st Libertarian to Congress? <BR/><BR/>We are simply filling the 7th district office for 9 months and have not had representation since at least six or seven months anyway. What harm can come?<BR/><BR/>This is just the message America needs to hear right now. Imagine the hope America will feel to hear that the heartland woke up and made a bold move to create change in how we are governed by electing a completely competent and principled Libertarian to be 1st in Congress.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-55428358013999262202008-02-21T11:47:00.000-05:002008-02-21T11:47:00.000-05:00OK, no one else has asked, so I'll jump in:<BR/><BR/>How can a teacher and an excise cop afford about $100K of automobiles?<BR/><BR/>Just askin'. I've already made my mind on on the March 11 election, but this is a strange item indeed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-77621904889835490222008-02-21T11:00:00.000-05:002008-02-21T11:00:00.000-05:00So, Wilson, you want us to believe that you are smarter than "poor Jon Elrod". You, who spent your life as a low-level government clerk, political hack, and dirty-trickster, are smarter than a successful, educated private-sector professional? <BR/><BR/>You're a silly man.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-48340660301850550512008-02-21T10:58:00.000-05:002008-02-21T10:58:00.000-05:00Actually your wrong again...Mrs. Carson drives a ford escape...which wait...oh yes..is an american made car...you have no idea what your talking about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-79424815542970279812008-02-21T10:53:00.000-05:002008-02-21T10:53:00.000-05:00"His grandmother was<BR/>astute enough that she would never<BR/>have been seen in a BMW."<BR/> <BR/>Julia attended several functions arriving in a German built Mercedes.<BR/><BR/>UAW friendly? I don't think so. She wasn't and André can't think past his own nose without coaching.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-74174358952575694022008-02-21T09:55:00.000-05:002008-02-21T09:55:00.000-05:00Gotcha, anon 8:40. It's Carson's wife who drives the BMW. He drives the Lincoln Aviator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-91067531564077548522008-02-21T09:39:00.000-05:002008-02-21T09:39:00.000-05:008:40--you're right: Elrod did say "that's a tough question" way too many times. Nerves, I think. Hell, they're ALL tough questions.<BR/><BR/>But any Andre supporter really doesn't want to go down the "Debate Rhetoric" path. Andre weaved together multiple ten-second soundbites. The same exact opening speech from Saturday's Democratic convention (thanks, Wilson, for the uTube link!), and a dramatic lack of knowledge about the language. He used the wrong words on multiple occasions. It was really embarrassing. ("I have no compulsion.."? HUH?)<BR/><BR/>If you're choosing someone based on your own interests, Andre might be your guy. He was right on most of the issues about which I care...but he shows a strong lack of depth on important issues. He'd easily be a back-bencher in this Cognress. Leadership wouldn't let him out of the coop very often. <BR/><BR/>Oh yeah--I have a relative who works for BMW. That S. Carolina plant is a source of joking among their management worldwide. SC opened up its doors, gave away the store, and all the profits, about $10,000 per vehicle, go right back to Germany.<BR/><BR/>And it is largely a non-union plant.<BR/><BR/>A smart Democratic politician would've called a cab or found a supporter who drove an American-brand car. Seriously. It's not a tough call.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-57765840266602151992008-02-21T09:23:00.000-05:002008-02-21T09:23:00.000-05:00There are good reasons for providing a budget in a timely fashion well before it is presented to board members or members of the public for any meeting, township or other. That purpose is for interested parties to have the time to thoroughly examine it, research the validity for any line item increases or decreases, and in general, be able to ask intelligent questions concerning justification of the budget, as a whole.<BR/>Ample time for budget discussions during the first required budget meeting may not be provided. This then paves the way for the majority party to pass the budget at the second meeting-leaving many questions unanswered.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-65525776013656531972008-02-21T08:40:00.000-05:002008-02-21T08:40:00.000-05:00Lets get something clear...Andre did not drive himself to the debate or home last night. He doe not own a BMW. Someone who was driving him probably owned the BMW He owns and drives a Lincoln aviator. Which he drives right into the UAW parking lots when he meets with them. <BR/><BR/>Secondly....why not strive for a higher minimum wage....$7.25 an hour....thats still isn't a living wage. <BR/><BR/>Finally....my favorite line of the night was from elrod as he started every other answer to a question...um that's a difficult issue or I don't know....or I haven't thought about it.....<BR/><BR/>If its too tough or you haven't haven't come prepared...what are you going to do if you ever are elected to office...be the quiet kid in the back that doesn't say much....please.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-27617903608721985382008-02-21T08:26:00.000-05:002008-02-21T08:26:00.000-05:00I've never heard of any Dem candidate for major office anywhere who's stupid enough to be seen being transported to campaign events in a BMW, regardless of<BR/>whether the X-3 or X-5 was assembled in the USA. In fact,<BR/>there are some candidates who<BR/>won't even be seen in a Ford Fusion<BR/>for example because I think it is assembled in Mexico.<BR/><BR/>Maybe Wilson will tell us what<BR/>type of vehicles Andre owns.<BR/>Is Andre a real UAW man or is he just a fake? His grandmother was<BR/>astute enough that she would never<BR/>have been seen in a BMW.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-36824187775901509882008-02-21T08:15:00.000-05:002008-02-21T08:15:00.000-05:00"A friend of mine joked about Carson's apparent hypocrisy on his strong environmental, anti-global warming stance as he drove away from tonight's forum in a gas-guzzling, foreign-made BMW SUV"<BR/><BR/>7:26, and Gary - BMW does own a factory in South Carolina (Aiken I think) where the X5 is built. Similar to Toyota, Subaru, and soon Honda in Indiana the product is made here but the profits of the plant go back to Japan.Sir Hailstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16301073859882785758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-52192308031226892182008-02-21T08:01:00.000-05:002008-02-21T08:01:00.000-05:007:26 AI Said "hypocrisy on his strong environmental, anti-global warming stance as he drove away from tonight's forum in a gas-guzzling, foreign-made BMW SUV, which should make all the UAW area workers at GM, Ford and Chrysler happy."<BR/><BR/>The plant in SC is probalby NOT Union, it is a foreign company ( but finished in the states ) probably not enviro friendly and I would suspect the profits go out of the country and do not stay here in the USA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-46670587693208630132008-02-21T07:26:00.000-05:002008-02-21T07:26:00.000-05:00AI, BMW has a factory in South Carolina where they make SUVs for the North American market.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-64039709607754715252008-02-21T06:49:00.000-05:002008-02-21T06:49:00.000-05:00Good write up - when is the next "Debate" ?<BR/><BR/>At least Elrod TRIED to do something ? What has Andre authored on his own in the CCC ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-68857950146089383882008-02-21T06:44:00.000-05:002008-02-21T06:44:00.000-05:00Wilson, that's a red herring and you know it.<BR/><BR/>What Elrod wanted, and never got, was a more-detailed budget report and priorities. In advance of the meeting where board members voted on it. Which isn't too much to ask. The shameful conduct of the trustee and other board members on this subject cannot be explained away, even by a former township employee like you.<BR/><BR/>Andre held his own last night, but he needs a new stump speech. $12 an hour is a joke, so he'd better hope that doesn't get much play.<BR/><BR/>I was most impressed with the guy who can't win--Shepherd. I'd goneinto the debate knowing llittle about him, and only reading what he'd posted on multiple blogs. Which is mostly tripe. Last night, while I didn't always agree with him, he clearly had command of most issues. He needs a fact-checker, particularly on budget debt and per-capita income/debt.<BR/><BR/>Those who attended last night were the real winners. We got to see each candidate up-close and personal.<BR/><BR/>The BMW drive-away is just ridiculous, if he really did it. But not that surprising. Andre has that "entitled" attitude.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-20536827326916634032008-02-21T03:09:00.000-05:002008-02-21T03:09:00.000-05:00Andre missed an opportunity at a comeback to Shepard... "well, then, why have a minimum wage at all?" The Lexus comment was simply snarky rhetoric. If you look at a place like Washington state, raising the minimum wage hasn't had the disastrous effects that people like Elrod and Shepard claim it will. <BR/><BR/>IMO, Carson and Shepard were the big winners. But I don't expect you to see that. <BR/><BR/>I wonder if you'll turn on Elrod if he gets in office the way you've turned on Ballard?Martihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11135098390389506633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-57161344817030063452008-02-21T01:51:00.000-05:002008-02-21T01:51:00.000-05:00Andre was completely playing to the crowd on some of these. I loved walking in and seeing David O there greeting folks even after the DCCC basically has tried to put the smackdown on anyone else contending for the Primary nod.<BR/><BR/>If you noticed the insistance on Universal Healthcare and minimum wage increases are of the typical "can I buy your vote" strategy. <BR/><BR/>As far as universal healthcare goes... many of the "big evil" corporations are pushing this so they can ditch their benefit liabilities to retirees (and others) - and the Democrats push this as helping the poor when the impact is likely to be long lines, high taxes to pay for it, rationing and a (per capita over time) reduction in service providers.<BR/><BR/>I believe the quote is: "Government is never more dangerous, than when our desire to have it help us, blinds us to its great power to harm us" - Ronald Reagan, (1980 if memory serves).Sean Shepardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04784017076656340302noreply@blogger.com