Wednesday, August 22, 2007
Andre Carson Makes It Official
U.S. Rep. Julia Carson's grandson, Andre Carson, has made it official. He's in the race to succeed 15th District City-County Councilor Patrice Abduallah (D), who was forced to resign his seat on the council after Advance Indiana disclosed the fact he was claiming an address outside his district as his residence. Carson is employed as a state excise police officer for the Alcohol and Tobacco Commission. An online Star report says Wilson Allen, a former township clerk for the Center Township Trustee's office and frequent commenter on this blog, is identified as the secretary for the committee Carson has formed to launch his bid to be chosen by Democratic precinct committeepersons. There are not currently any other publicly-announced candidates to fill the vacancy.
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....and the machine churns along....
FWIW, I just sent the reporter an Email to correct his statement that I'm "the secretary" - officially, I'm the treasurer for the campaign...
Does 'treasurer' mean 'dumpster diver?'
The anonymous naysayers are weighing in already with ugly name-calling and negative campaigning. Pitiful!
Naysayers beware! I wouldn't be so quick to judge Andre just because he is Julia's grandson.
He will make all of you look foolish! He is the real deal.
Wilson,
Since you're the treasurer of this campiagn, perhaps you can asnwer whether Andre D. Carson is still a member of the Nation of Islam?
Inquiring minds would like to know.
Well, it's not the Julia thing that bothers me, frankly, altho that machine needs to retire gracefully. A couple of years ago.
It's the fact that my party cannot seem to churn up ANYone for certain districts unless they're unemployed (Patrice) or publicly employed (Andre).
And if--just IF--it is a thinly-veiled attempt to groom him for his grandma's Congressional seat, well...think again.
It ain't gonna happen. Not Even close.
Wilson's blog entries may be nonsense sometimes, but...I'm betting he'd be a good treasurer. He's tight with a dollar.
by the by, why does it make any difference what faith brings him solace?
Wilson,
since you are with Andre now, does that mean you wont date me anymore?
1:23p.m.
The Nation of Islam isn't a "faith." It's a black separatist organization that mixes both Islam and Christianity into something masquerading as religion.
Voting for someone who belongs to that organization is no different thanvoting for a car-carrying member of the Klan, IMO.
Should be card-carrying ^ there.
1:22,
If not Andre, then who will take over for Julia Carson? Carolene? Greg? Robin? Inquiring minds want to know...
The irony of it all is that the biggest anti-Julia person I know *coughGarycough* set this in motion. If Andre does run when Julia retires, it'll be Gary that made it possible.
Anyone who thinks that Andre won't be a formidable candidate in place of Julia, doesn't know the district.
André is not a member of Hezbollah, al-Qaeda or Hamas either ... sorry to disappoint the anonymous scandalmongers!
Does he live in the district?
I think his wife is Mariama Shaheed-Carson, a teacher in Pike township.
Wilson,
But is he no longer a member of the NOI? Yes or no?
André has owned his home, resided with his wife and is registered to vote in District 15 for 5 years now ... isn't that long enough even to run for Governor?
And he's also not an N.O.I. member too...
The anonymous scandalmongers are so desperate to find something, anything awful on André. They're head-first in the dumpsters already!
Doesn't he live in a Habitat for Humanity house in the Fall Creek Place area? Nice to get on the list when you're so needy.
Anyway, that is well within District 15's boundaries.
Hey Wilson,00000 You can't even spell. What is a governor?
André's home was built by a standard commercial homebuilder, not Habitat For Humanity, and is located in "Fall Creek Proper".
You anonymous naysayers are trying to find anything to smear André and if you cant find anything, you simply make stuff up! Don't you have any shame?
Wilson brings up dumspter divers. And having no shame. How rich is that? Pot, meet kettle.
And Marti, I DO know the district, real well. I hate to get the cart before the horse, because he's not a council member yet, but:
He will not succeed his grandmother. Period.
Inquiring minds do want to know...and that replacement race will be a barn-burner. I don't think it's too far off, either. But it will not be Andre.
Oh yeah, Wilson, again, for the record: some people post anonymously here because folks in your camp tend to take these political jobs real seriously. Too damned seriously. You play for keeps, and you're not above any type of rumor-spreading yourselves.
That does not excuse random NOI nonsense on Andre. Habitat, NOI, whatever: he's decided to run.
Could he at least find a private-sector job?
Well, following your lead in the matter, no, I have no shame.
The LA TIMES wants to talk to you if you are in danger of losing your home due to unfair property taxation.
FOR MORE INFORMATION:
http://www.HoosiersForFairTaxation.com
"He will not succeed his grandmother. Period."
Why is that, anon? Oh, let me guess... you have some earth shattering proof that Andre is a secret member of the KKK, or that he was born in Area 51?
"Oh yeah, Wilson, again, for the record: some people post anonymously here because folks in your camp tend to take these political jobs real seriously. Too damned seriously. You play for keeps, and you're not above any type of rumor-spreading yourselves."
You can't identify yourself, lest someone know your hatred.
"That does not excuse random NOI nonsense on Andre. Habitat, NOI, whatever: he's decided to run."
Mud will fly, but we'll see who it sticks to.
"Could he at least find a private-sector job?"
Why does that matter? You have a problem with Lincoln Plowman being on the CCC? He's been a police officer as long as I've known him.
Whoever Julia Carson endorses after she chooses to retire her seat will win...period. She won the last election hands down with 54% of th vote and her endorsement of any candidate is the difference between winning and losing in the 7th congressional district.
wilson--take a look at the minority report blog...
Wilson, you know damn good and well that the Nation of Islam is a black supremacist organization and not connected with Islam.
If Andre is a member of this organization or has past ties with it you can rest assured things will get real nasty.
We have enough division in this city without some guy wearing a black hood and black robe in ANY public office.
Having met Andre several times in the past around 2004, I found him to be very friendly, congenial and professional even though I was working for his grandmother's competition. I very briefly met his wife at one of the debates who was also very friendly and I understand, last I knew, is a respected teacher in Pike Township.
That being said, I agree with the person who said "the machine" needs to come to an end. That machine has been an incredible tool for the local Democrats.
The concern is always that people will be beholden to 'the machine' in order to hold onto their power/position.
We need a 'machine' that can be deployed to elect fiscal conservative, pro-growth, pro-liberty candidates regardless of party affiliation.
We need to quit electing people based on party and instead on principled positions, sound ethics and deep understanding the true (read: Gilder, Hayek), long-term socioeconomic impact their decisions as elected officials can have.
But, FWIW, at least personally I appreciated Andre, perhaps realizing what the game is, being friendly. He seemed like good guy and hopefully he can keep away from the shade of percieved corruption that affects the current CCC.
Now, Wilson, on the other hand wouldn't really talk much. He just lurked about with his video camera trying to intimidate (or document) those coming to support, at that time, Andy Horning.
Didn't "the scribe" break this story first?
He's gonna sue you for not giving him credit.
For the anonymous nobody @ 5:31pm worried about guys in black robes in public office: in Indiana, that's what judges wear in all 92 counties...
Wilson Allen will not repute the fact that Andre is a member of the Nation of Islam. Thank you Mr. Allen.
FYI,last time I looked Mr.Allen,all of the judges in all of Indiana's 92 counties DO wear black robes. Imagine that!
I do not however,recall any of those judges wearing BLACK HOODS.
A BLACK MAN'S MEMBERSHIP IN THE NATION OF ISLAM IS NO DIFFERENT THAN THAT OF WHITE MAN'S MEMBERSHIP IN THE KKK. BOTH ARE DISPICABLE ORGANIZATIONS!!!!!
3:50: Yeah, I'm consistent. I have a BIG problem with Lincoln Plowman. And Ike "Newfound Ethics" Randolph. (Who voted FOR three city budugets before he played to the media and voted against this last tax inrease. And who voted FOR at least one controversial development project after taking $5,000 from the developer in the last election cycle.) And Dane Mahern, Oliver, and the rest of the CC employees.
And King Ro, because he insisted his wife become a city employee. Even tho she was woefully unqualified.
Public employees, at least those who derive salaries from the City-County, should not be on the council.
I do respect public service employees. As employees, not elected office holders.
And if one of them wants to become an officeholder, great! Let them find employment among the rest of us, slogging it out daily in the private sector.
I've known many public employee officeholders. Both parties. And honestly, I've yet to meet one who fully understands fiscal management. Or proper allocation of personnel.
And I've also met Andre. Tremendously nice fella.
I'll say this: he's better than Patrice. But so's my 14-year-old.
Julia will choose the next Congressperson, and that person will win, huh? That's rich! Get out there and talk to committeemen in the district.
They're not feelin' the love.
How many times do I have to repeat it? André is not a member of the Nation of Islam or Hezbollah or al-Qaeda or Hamas or the Future Farmers of America.
Try to be a little more creative on your racist fabrications and smears!
There have been rumors or speculation for years that Andre was likely to enter public life and/or possibly be groomed to replace Julia.
Regarding the breaking of the specific link the City County Council and replacing Patrice, the earliest post I could find was from...
...Advance Indiana at 9:44 AM on the 14th.
Various stuff on other blogs including IndyStar topix, all of that seemed to start on the 16th.
If there is anything previous that specifically predicts or suggests that Andre might be going for the empty CCC seat then post the link. Maybe we can get them a certificate or a small trophy and the who gets credit sniping can stop.
We're not being racist Wilson. We demand the facts. The Nation of Islam is about as racist as it gets.
Now please answer the question,
IS ANDRE NOW, OR HAS HE EVER BEEN A MEMBER OF OR INVOLVED WITH THE BLACK SUPREMACIST GROUP CALLED THE NATION OF ISLAM?
How many times do I have to repeat it? André is not a member of the Nation of Islam or Hezbollah or al-Qaeda or Hamas or the Metropolitan Board of Realtors.
Drat Wilson... I could really root for an FFA + MIBOR guy.
Seriously, you are dodging the question about any previous activity. And people can change their views.
There are plenty of people out there who were pro-abortion when they were young and worried that irresponsible behavior might ruin their lives and then became anti-abortion when they grew up and their opinion on the subject changed.
I'm not sure how much good a good ole "Sir, are you or have you ever been a member of the Communist party" dialogue will do.
(I'll let someone else point out that Democrats largely do subscribe to failed socialist ideals and Keynesian economics)
How many felonies has Andre committed? How many did Julia fix?
Is Andre a Nation of Islam extremist racist?
A friend of mine went through ILEA with Andre. Told me that he was a cheat at the academy. Stirred up a lot of crap just because of who grandma is, and passed by the skin of his teeth.
Now he's taking the place of an elected official?
How ironic.... A crooked cop get placed in by a crooked party.
In his youth, Andre Carson was indeed a member of the N.O.I. when his grandma was Center Township Trustee.
This was during the era when Julia Carson had Fruit of Islam (F.O.I.), the police arm of the N.O.I., on the public dole as trustee employees. I believe her chief of staff or security was a fellow by the name of Jeffrey Muhammad, who took young Andre under his wing in the N.O.I.
I believe young Andre was even spotted in Chicago (as was his grandma) at the annual N.O.I. Founder's Day celebration, you know, the gathering where adherents chant, "All praise due to Allah and Muhammad (not the Koran's Mohammad, rather Elijah Muhammad) was his messenger."
Marti, Should I tell Andre I like my steak medium-well? Seriously, it has been no secret Julia was grooming Andre for her seat. I believe Rishawn Biddle talked about it at Expresso over a year ago if I'm not mistaken. This was going to happen sooner or later.
Anonymous said...
I think his wife is Mariama Shaheed-Carson, a teacher in Pike township.
Response:
uh, I believe this is the Muslim child of Judge David Shaheed of the Nation of Islam.
I'm sure it's hard to be a married to a muslim wife and not be muslim.
Andre Carson's wife.
http://www.mff.org/mea/mea.taf?page=recipient&meaID=15696
I guess our legislators don't have a lot of work to do:
http://www.in.gov/legislative/bills/2005/SRESF/SC0044.html
No surprise. Wilson Allen and Tony Duncan, Julia Carson's handpicked vote stealers at special party elections if they use paper ballots.
Andre Carson was a member of the Nation of Islam. Julia Carson used the Nation members help her blitz and get elected to Center Township Trustee. She employed several members as security guards in the Trustee building.
Later she distanced herself from the Nation when she ran for Congress. Julia Carson is known to use people like Wilson and later distances herself from them if they get caught doing her dirty work. It is time for the truth to be told.
Now that Andre Carson is an official candidate, he to will be scrutinized by the public. His backgroung will be checked out, and there is nothing Wilson can do to stop the inquiries.
The Star reports 3 cnadidates have filed.
JoAnn Williams (47)and Mary Ann Sullivan [48]have filed their declarations on Wednesday to run for the seat. So far, there are 3 candidates for the council seat.
So grandma has managed to place Andre into homeland security investigations. Now we know where Wilson and Julia get their background information on other candidates. Dumpster divers galore.
Now the arm twisting begins.
Why would our Congresswoman Julia Carson EVER have the desire or need for Nation of Islam enforcers in her organization?
I think that's a valid question for those in my black community to consider regarding Andre, who by all verifiable evidence is a Black Muslim and was raised as one.
As a lifelong resident of Indianapolis and as a member of the black community I will not support ANY candidate OR office holder who is involved with the militant and racist Nation of Islam. They preach a gospel of hate in addition to the fact that they are also involved in gang activities.
Before my brothers and sisters elect Andre Carson they need to ask themselves if they are willing to accept a the gospel of hate or the gospel of love and unity amoungst all God's people.
Gary,
Wilson Allen is a liar. Andre Carson was a bonifide member of the Nation of Islam from 1990-1997.
After that time, I can't say.
Wilson was employed at the Trustee's office when Julia Carson hired Nation of Islam soldiers to work as security guards and their leader was hired as an office manager.
These are the same people who trash other candidates reputations and smear them if they are not a member of the Ghetto Mafia.
Dumpster diving Wilson, and Tony
use photos and verbal assaults to intimidate the competition. Many of the committeepersons have patronage jobs and are told who to vote for even though the practice is illegal.
Nice-looking wife.
Well if she has ties to the NOI that would explain why Eric Dickerson and Brose McVey (can't speak for anyone before them) got death threats leading up to the election.
If they're tied to that mosque at 38/Baltimore I can tell you they're not a very friendly lot either.
I think he'll win pretty easily, but I do find it ironic he 'happens' to live in the district where somebody recently was forced to resign. Nevertheless, I'll try not to criticize the cuisine before it is served.
Yea, Lincoln Plowman help make the "C sound" like a "K" in The CCC [city-county council]. It is now pronounce "Ka Ka Ka", or KKK for short. Plowman is a Nazi. Maybe a Carson on the council will help cool the Nazi's jets.
After attempting to file for write in candidacy for City County Council in the 15th District, I was informed that I could not be a write in candidate because of the July 3rd deadline for this election. I am disturbed by this because Andre Carson, who replaced Patrice Abduallah on August 28th as 15th District City County Council person due his to forced resignation, did not file as a candidate before this deadline either, but was selected by a political party’s precinct committee, not the constituents of the 15th District. If Mr. Carson is allowed to run uncontested this election cycle, a travesty of democracy will be committed, and the citizens of the 15th District will not be able to vote for a candidate of their choice or be represented appropriately in the City County Council.
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