The Marion County power brokers have ordered a referendum be placed on this year's November ballot to pay for the expanded mass transit system, including the controversial Red Line rapid bus transit line planned. It is expected to easily get approval from the Democratic-controlled council, and would allow a local income tax to be levied to pay for mass transit on top of those property tax levies you've been paying for decades to pay for mass transit.
The quarter percent increase in the income tax rate will lift Indianapolis' total tax rate to one of the highest in the state and comes on the heels of a 10% increase in the income tax increase that taxpayers were socked with last year to pay for public safety, giving people yet another reason to get the hell out of Indianapolis.
There is no possibility of defeating a referendum once it is placed on the ballot. It will not matter how voters feel about the issue. When you have a referendum like this pushed by both political parties, the computer-tallied vote is rigged by agreement of the two corrupt political parties so it cannot possibly lose. It's more important that contracts be let immediately to pay off their campaign contributors who financed last year's campaign than do what's in the best interests of the taxpaying public.
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Why didn't we get a referendum to vote against the Colts' stadium?
Why are only certain issues put up for referendum?
Does anyone in America earn an honest living? Does everyone get where they are through some sort of government rigging of the game? Doctors, lawyers, engineers, contractors, government workers, car companies, drug companies, etc. Who doesn't earn an income because the government rigged the playing field by either giving you work or keeping others out?
Similar to the Hospital project that is showing signs of unravelling...by the time the fan can no longer turn (due to overload) the perps will be long gone. And, those still hanging around will rationalize up a bunch of excuses. ""DON'T ASSUME THAT POLICY PROPOSALS MAKE SENSE IN TERMS OF THEIR STATED GOALS. When you're dealing with a revolutionary power, it's important to realize that it knows what it wants, and will make whatever argument advances that goal. So there should be no presumption that the claims it makes on behalf of its actions make any sense in their own terms.....". "....Journalists find it very hard to deal with blatant false arguments; by inclination and training, they always try to see two sides to an issue, and find it hard to even conceive that a major political figure is simply lying....."
A small prize to the reader who can identify the prize winning economist who penned these thoughts so applicable to Indiana, Tully, duh Star and the political figures who think the people are stupid." If IPS IQ averages as measured by ISTEP are accurate in describing the population of Indianapolis then the people are stupid, that is, if stupid is below 100.
Yeah. If that passes, Marion County's tax rate will have doubled from 2007 to 2017. Time to, "get the hell out" as you say!
The drafting process of referen-damned needs to be challenged in court; on basis of inequitable drafting by proponents.
"There is no possibility of defeating a referendum once it's placed on the ballot"?????????????????????
What I personally find so repugnant as a life long resident of Indianapolis is that virtually all of the corrupt pay-to-play money is going into the pockets of the "beautiful people" who never soil the bottoms of their loafers by ever living in Marion County. It gets a little old after a while that our Marion County tax dollars get hijacked for the benefit of these thieves masquerading as business men that take our money and plow it into their homes and economy in Hamilton County. If the doughnut counties want mass transit to move poor minimum wage workers out of the city to work in their quasi segregated communities then they can build their own damn bus system or build Section 8 housing for these workers to live in instead of trendy roundabouts.
Why is everybody so certain the referendum will pass? I don't believe "the fix is in." I believe our elections run pretty fairly around here. I'm no proponent of mass transit because I think the costs always spiral out of control. But with that said, electric bus service is the best and costs the least. And theoretically there will be federal grants. So I think a referendum on the red line is a fair fight. Lets see what the people want.
We all have questions, but we have a year to ask them. My first question is whether the costs will be paid by Hamilton County for everything built in their county? Are they also having a referendum? What if Marion county goes one way and Hamilton county goes another?
I'm sorry to be off topic, but somebody just sent me this heartwarming message from beloved American Christian Franklin Graham and I thought I would share it:
Franklin Graham Warns Christians: Keep Satanic Gay People Away From Your Children & Churches
January 19, 2016
“We have allowed the Enemy to come into our churches. I was talking to some Christians and they were talking about how they invited these gay children to come into their home and to come into the church and that they were wanting to influence them. And I thought to myself, they’re not going to influence those kids; those kids are going to influence those parent’s children. What happens is we think we can fight by smiling and being real nice and loving.
“We have to understand who the Enemy is and what he wants to do. He wants to devour our homes. He wants to devour this nation and we have to be so careful who we let our kids hang out with. We have to be so careful who we let into the churches. You have immoral people who get into the churches and it begins to effect the others in the church and it is dangerous.” – Franklin Graham, speaking at a Colorado church event organized hate group leader James Dobson
What a lovely way of thinking about it. Franklin certainly seems to represent the feelings of so many Pence supporters, wouldn't you agree?
Anon 10:44: The "fair fight" is lost in the proponent drafted, Hallmark quality language which suggests you drown puppies & kittens should you be so brazen as to vote "no" on their flowery proposal; hence a need for litigation challenging a corrupt drafting process.
These statist public treasury schemes, are low brow leveraged; in this case exploiting the loco-emotive at the real, unsustainable expense of personal treasuries, looted to fund public perversion. Statists are reptilian brained econo-thugs; predators versed in the pretty language of deceptive persuasion; in exclusive service to themselves & their narcissism.
Why don't they want to suffer for their faith? Isn't that what they're supposed to do?
The Republicrat Party will do everything possible to pass this referendum. I can just hear it now: It will create jobs, another step forward in being world class, it will help the environment, we are thinking big and yes, blah, blah, blah.
This deal will be just like the other deals here in Indianapolis a way for the Crony-Capitalists to skim tax dollars into many pockets. The McMega-Media have their marching orders slant all the news to influence the voters to approve this scheme.
There are many examples of grass roots rebellion leading to government backed referendums going down in flames. It's not easy, but it happens. I doubt that there are 20 people in Indiana with the courage and endurance to fight such a fight, though, so you're probably right. We'll just over and take it one more time because we're Hoosiers. That's what we do.
I have the courage and endurance. I just don't have the time and work a full time job.
The taxpayer group in Muncie took down their lying school corporation. As for Indianapolis, that is a much lower information voter lacking local taxpayer groups. I agree with Boggs about the drafting. How much would such a suit cost and who might bell the cat? I'm in. The drafting on the last referendum was obscene. I'd add to the question being asked of the public if they would mind funding cross shaped timbers for all the civic leaders supporting the boondoggle that they would be expected to die upon when the project went over budget (open season now) or failed to meet revenue "projections" or ridership. It used to be that Ideas Had Consequences. Let's vote on those ahead of time to keep the lying down...
Meanwhile, our off topic loon could, with a small bit of internet search, find the April 19, 2010 Article by Dr. Brian W. Clowes concerning Homosexuality and the Church Crisis. Of course he is primarily examining the Catholic Church's recent experience with homosexual priests but, in passing, and on examining the evidence, the sub title of his paper could easily be, "On Homosexuality Predicts Child Molestation". One does not suggest that the Indiana homosexuals lust after Indiana school children but science is science and everyone ought to learn up on the science Dr. Clowes documents.
Beyond the corruption of the two political parties, we have to contend with a very corrupt news media. The Indianapolis Star, the IBJ and all of the TV news stations will report only favorable viewpoints in support of the referendum. We will be treated to daily doses of propaganda. Any mention of people opposing the referendum will be to denounce them as extremist, marginalists who are stuck in the past, against progress and helping the poor. No rational debate will be allowed.
I've studied the Wishard referendum vote, as well as the votes cast in Marion County in the 2008 election for Barack Obama and Mitch Daniels. I can't prove it, but the statistical analysis would support the contention that an algorithm was added to the voting tabulation software, which is quite easy to do, which manipulated the vote. You could literally see how the anomaly was adding the exact same number of votes for Daniels and Obama in precinct after precinct to their totals. A deal was cut to rig the 2008 statewide Indiana vote to deliver it to Obama and I believe Daniels was a part of that deal. Can I prove it? No. But that's what I believe happened. A majority of the people who went to the polls in 2008 in Indiana did not cast a vote for Obama. Had the vote tallying not been manipulated in key Indiana counties, McCain would have carried Indiana.
I will talk to my councilor Freeman and state my displeasure what that will do I have no idea but I don't have time to do much more.
"You could literally see how the anomaly was adding the exact same number of votes for Daniels and Obama in precinct after precinct to their totals. "
I've said before - wait until after the polls close, then look in the book and see who didn't vote. Forge their name, and cast a ballot. That's all you need to do. The scantron machine doesn't keep track of the time a ballot was cast. The only clock in there is the one that allows the inspector to turn the key to shut down the machine after 6 PM. If anyone questions why the machine was so late in shutting down, "absentee ballots - we waited until after 6 to put them in the book". Why is it that some Center Township precincts are out past 9 PM before they "report in", and Outside precincts many times are the first to report? Democrats run the same flashes in Center like the GOP runs in the Outsides. Unfortunately in the Outsides it's no longer guaranteed GOP votes like it is in Center where many precincts are 100% Democrat votes. No need to pull a tape before calling in a flash just call in the number of voters and they'll tell you how many votes need to be made.
The Wishard vote was set up to be rigged. Putting paper ballots in a box. Really? Might as well run votes through a Xerox machine. Polling locations were staffed by union members and other D's - all standing to benefit from the construction spending. Hell in my precinct the normally Democrat poll workers (they were "neutral" if you remember - HA!!!) were running a phone bank in between voters. I called my people who in turn called MCRCC - and was told "don't worry about it". Robert Mugabe or Raul Castro would be proud of that sort of election.
Jocelyn Tandy Adande always claimed that's what they were doing in certain Democratic precincts in Center Township. She claimed they had roving groups of phantom voters going from precinct to precinct who cast votes for people on the rolls in each precinct they knew never cast any votes. I lost confidence in my precinct when over 200 people from the same homeless shelter showed up one election to vote with state ID cards. Not a one of them looked like a homeless person. I brought it to Cindy Mowery's attention. She was astonished by the number of people registered to vote at that homeless shelter, but neither she nor the Center Township Ward Chair had any interest in looking into it further.
"when over 200 people from the same homeless shelter showed up one election to vote with state ID cards"
Wheeler Mission?
"the Center Township Ward Chair" - would that be DB or SDeW?
SD. It was the homeless shelter on Market Street. Wheeler is not in my precinct.
What a bunch of gossip. If you have evidence of vote tampering you have an obligation to step forward and say what you have to say. To wait until years after the fact and then gossip about it like we have rampant vote fraud; that's a little disingenuous isn't it? I live here too, and I don't see vote fraud. So its all a bunch of trolling and gossip. A waste of everybody's time. If you have a position to take on a county referendum, you have ten months to campaign. I really don't think they have the votes to push through any rapid transit referendum question because I don't think the electorate wants to see the taxes go up. But to start whining already that this election is fixed, grow up girls. That stupid argument isn't going to resonate with anybody. Disinformation is a breach of the social contract. Stop lying. There's a lot of dishonesty around here, but its not the voters, its the trolls.
A referendum - what a refreshing idea. I can see my $12.50 per month red-line tax contribution helping to suck the economic blood out of Marion County by creating a corporate and retail exodus to competing donut communities in need of a fresh tax base. Note: the proposed route includes Hamilton County where TIF malls will be exciting and new. On the other hand, there will be an influx of young professionals to downtown Indy who, on six figure incomes, have no desire to own a status symbol such as a car or to live outside of Marion County.
For Carrion County taxpayers; it's the Deadline. For taxpayer victims of these public treasury looters; it's at best the Breadline.
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